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Formula 1 Grand Prix de Monaco 2013 Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by BrightLampShade, May 19, 2013.

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Who will be at the front of the queue?

Poll closed May 22, 2013.
  1. Vettel

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  2. Raikkonen

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  3. Alonso

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  4. Hamilton

    28.6%
  5. Massa

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  6. Webber

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  7. Grosjean

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  8. di Resta

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  9. Rosberg

    28.6%
  10. Button

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  11. Other - please state

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  1. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    Should Kimi have gave him space though? To avoid another accident yes but Perez wasn't close enough to make the overtake stick IMO. He made the choice to try and pass based on previous attempts and didn't think it through first. You could also argue he cost Alonso points too, if it wasn't for him hitting Kimi and damaging his car then there wouldn't have been a traffic jam at rascas and cause Alonso to lose a place to Button. There will always be a worry when he is lurking behind Hamilton and it's probably the same for people who support different drivers and teams.
     
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  2. DHCanary

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    For Kimi to give him space, I don't think he could have made the corner too, as the rate Perez was coming in at, he'd only just been making the corner when passing Alonso - there certainly wasn't room for a car on the outside to make it round alongside him. He's literally giving others the choice of "Crash or let me through", I can't see a way Raikkonen could have come out of that attempt ahead, without getting a penalty for cutting the chicane.
     
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  3. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Sorry... but that's utter bollocks mate. The only way that Kimi was going to avoid that was by sailing over the chicane. I don't mind the occasional "get outta my way or we are having a crash" move, but too many people were having to avoid Perez this past weekend.
     
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  4. ZER0

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    Sorry, but no. I'm with DH and Sarge on this one. Making a move like that every once in a while is ok, but he was habitually causing problems with what some would call a "daring" overtake. Its not daring. Its just plain stupid. This isn't a personal attack on Perez, because I think he's a good driver, but damn, he needs to tone it back a tad. There is a difference between being daring and ridiculous.
     
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  5. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

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    Yep. I pretty much agree with ZERO here. When he'd previously got away with it, it was almost entirely due to the perception and diligence of others. 'Hopeful' is perhaps kinder than the word I'm thinking of, and sort of asks for forgiveness at the same time – so it's too gentle a description, this time.

    It's difficult not to make the analogy of a gambler who tastes early success at the table, after which Perez became pretty 'reckless', blowing all his winnings…
     
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  6. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    I can't disagree with you because I know you are correct but Checo, along with Sutil, was the most entertaining driver to watch yesterday and the spectacle would have been poorer without his antics.
     
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  7. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    telemetry will show that Kimi defended too late and turned into Perez and hit him, video evidence shows exactly the same, yes it was a stupid and rash move from Perez, but it was also a stupid and reckless move by Kimi too, who must've known there would be contact, and, IMO, deserved to lose all those places, I remember him ****ing up badly there trying to take Sutil a few years ago and ending Sutils race. Is perez to blame for Kimi's poor decision to defend too late? Is Kimi to blame for Perez's rash moves? No. Ecclestone to blame for keeping this ridiculous 'race' circuit on the calendar. Perez was the shining light for entertainment at Monaco, I'm so glad the BBC didn't have it as one of their live races
     
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  8. Justjazz

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    Picking this thread up...If kimi had not closed Perez out what might have happened? Possibly a crash on the corner, both failing to corner and going straight on, or Perez cornering and Kimi going straight on and having to give the place up? Only the middle option was a good outcome for Kimi. Perez is entertaining and was right to try first time but it was obvious Kimi was shutting the door second time and Perez was slow to respond to the changing circumstance...with more experience he will, I hope. Look at the mistakes of past top drivers in their early years...he did well up to that point but needs to know he is relying on gentlemen behaviour which won't always be there and needs to be prepared to back out.
     
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  9. BrightLampShade

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    Who's fault is was is open to debate with strong reasoning from either side. In the end it got to the stage where only Raikkonen could avoid the accident (A overtaking tactic very reminiscent of a popular driver in the late 80s early 90s ;) ). Perez was braking as hard as he could as Kimi continued to close the door on him, maybe Kimi misjudged Perez's speed but there was always going to be an accident when he squeezed Perez into the barrier.
    Perhaps Perez shouldn't had originally made the manoeuvre but in the end he wasn't in a position to avoid the contact. Its probably why neither suffered a penalty.
     
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    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Oh I totally agree that Perez was a ton of fun to watch in Monaco... Totally reckless though.
     
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  11. StoneRosesRam

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    I enjoyed watching Perez but the move on Kimi was way too reckless and IMO from too far out. What I do think Kimi could have done is placed his car on the inside going into the corner before the braking zone as a way of showing Perez that he was aware of what his intentions were. Remember how Perez's engineer warned him about making sure he did not leave the door open at the hairpin with Sutil. Perhaps Kimi should have exercised similar caution at the Nouvelle chicane with Perez knowing he had targeted that corner earlier in the race.
     
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  12. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

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    Having recently witnessed this, I'll 'stick' with a Monaco theme:

    If one visits a casino to be entertained, one will tend to watch those who play for high stakes. I very much agree that Perez was entertaining; but a successful gambler quits whilst ahead…
     
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  13. DHCanary

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