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Ex-director blames Mick McCarthy for Wolves' woe

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  1. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

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    Former Wolves Director Kevin Threlfall laid some of the blame for relegation to the third tier at Mick McCarthys door:

    http://www.expressandstar.com/sport...director-blames-mick-mccarthy-for-wolves-woe/

    This is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say, surely a manager should have full say in transfer dealings obviously within a budget. I also doubt Wolves would be where they are now if Mick was in charge.

    However one thing I think this does raise is the affect of Micks transfer policy after he's left. I've always felt Mick signs solid but not spectacular players and he usually manages to get the best out of these often average set of players, which is why for me he was never able to take Wolves to the next level, despite his managerial credentials. Hence why when got sacked, he left Wolves with some fairly average players and I don't think there are many managers out there capable of getting the same level out of those same players as he managed to.
     
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  2. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> What a stupid man. If the board found him too intimidating to ask questions about players that's not Mick's fault, its evidence of ineptitude.

    And that's if every player he signed was ****.

    I suppose he held a gun to their heads whilst they were writing the cheque <doh>
     
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  3. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Threlfall should be Freefall <laugh>

    The majority of the Wolves supporters think that this guy is a complete Numpty!
     
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  4. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    He's only making a pratt of himself and he should get back behind the counter at One Stop <doh>
     
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  5. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Wolves weren't in the bottom 3 when MM was sacked so how can this tool blame him for the huge mess they are in now?
     
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  6. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    Mick suggested some of the players who got relegated from the Premier League and then the Championship so its his fault, and what's more, it's Mick's fault that the board didn't go through due diligence before signing the players too.
     
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  7. stretchyboy

    stretchyboy Well-Known Member

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    To a certain extent, the guy has a point. 90% of the players that took Wolves down were sigend by Mick. The problem is, and PTC touched on it on the opening post, is that i think that MM is a fantastic short term manager (i.e, 2-3 years) but once the players that he's signed are past their best before date, he doesn't seem to be too shrewd in freshening his teams up, ala Ferguson.
    Admittedly he does buy/bring in virtual unknowns, so is great in spotting talent, but these tend to be honest, solid players who he gets the best out of for 2-3 years. In fact i'm struggling to think of any players that MM has "found" who have gone on to bigger and better things (Matt Jarvis is the only one i can think of, and at 11m Wolves got the deal of the century).
    I know i'm going slightly off topic, but what i'm trying to get at is, yes, MM is to blame for bringing in the players that got Wolves down, but if you was to blame every past manager for a current teams failures, then virtual all managers are to blame to some extent......make sense??
     
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  8. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    Sorry Stretchy but you are talking bollocks! When Mick arrived at Wolves they were pretty much in the state they are now. He had only 13 players on the books when he arrived at Wolves! In 6 years he built 3 different teams so your premise that Mick fails to freshen things up is completely wrong! <ok>
     
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  9. stretchyboy

    stretchyboy Well-Known Member

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    Lets have a look at his record as manager..
    Millwall - Took over in 92-93, took them to the play offs, spend an unsubordenant amount (for Millwalls size) on bringing in the two Russians Yuran and Kulkov, they eventually got relegated after he resigned (admittedly they were clear of relegation when he was in charge)
    Sunderland - Took the black cats up finally to the premiership, they then after one season got relegated back to the championship.
    Wolves - Again, finally got them promoted to the premiership in 2009. Their first season they finished 15th, second season 17th (avoided being relegated by one point) Their next season he got the sack when they were bottom of the league.

    I think this clarifies my point in that he's fantastic in getting teams on the up, but not great at keeping them there.
     
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  10. San Diego

    San Diego Sir Mediator Forum Moderator

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    And that's all we really need at the moment stretchy. No good having a manager who can do well in the prem if he can't get you out of the champ. One step at a time mate <ok>
     
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  11. truth seeker

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    Threlfall is talking a load of codswallop. The blame lies firmly on the person, or persons who appointed two out of their depth disastrous managers. Solsbakken had no experience at this level, and and it showed. Saunders had some experience, but he is just not a good manager, whenever he was intervieved he could not even talk a good game.
     
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    MM may have bought some bang average players but they've had two managers since and at least 2 transfer windows... Plus has large sums of money available to them, so I think MM has been made a bit of a scapegoat in this situation.

    There is some basis for these accusations but the context in which they are in does undermine it to a point of absurdity <ok>
     
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  13. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    I seem to remember that he kept Wolves in the Premiership! They weren't in the bottom 3 when he got the sack! <ok>
     
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  14. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    I reckon it went something like this:

    Wolves board: Mick you've got **** all money to spend on players.
    Mick: OK, get me these players, they'll do a job.
    Board: OK Mick.

    If Town get into the Prem it'll be more like this:

    ME: Cheers for getting us into the Prem Mick, you've got £15m for transfers this summer, we'll try to keep wages down so give us a list and we'll see what deals we can get done.

    Mick's final year at Wolves:

    Wolves board: Mick you've got **** all money to spend on players, oh and we're cashing in on Matt Jarvis too.
    Mick: OK, get me these players, they'll do a job.
    Board: OK Mick.

    Year three in the Prem for Town:

    ME: Cheers for all your hard work Mick, now let's think about a strategy to put together a squad to challenge for Europe.
     
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  15. Mighty Horse

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    Hampy, no offence but have you forgot to take your tablets today?
     
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  16. CotswoldCanary

    CotswoldCanary New Member

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    He is just a bitter and sad individual who cannot handle those dumb old Naarfolk boys having football superiority over his beloved "Super Blues"

    Just dont ask him how many matches he attends per season.

    :1980_boogie_down:
     
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  17. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    It must be a hell of a shlep for you Treacs getting all the way over to Norfolk from the Cotswolds for match days every other week?
     
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  18. CotswoldCanary

    CotswoldCanary New Member

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    I own and run my own business so I can take time off when I want.

    The best bit is that the company picks the tab up - hotels, tickets, meals and travel .

    How cool is that?
     
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  19. Fat Boy Slim

    Fat Boy Slim Active Member

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    If it's your own business and you're paying for everything on expenses it's still coming out of your own pocket, so actually, it's not that cool at all.
     
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  20. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    I believe it would be written off against tax, so it's on HMRC.
     
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