Over the last few years we have had some poor managers at Sunderland, but how does MON match up to those? Well in one year he spent over 30million.. From that we got arguably one good player, that being fletcher. From the rest: Johnson.. Been okay, but for 10mill+ he's still got a lot to do. Graham.. 5mill would be better spent on re painting the SOL seats. Ndiaye.. Wasn't the right type of player to sign in January, could come good but failed to make a substantial impact. Cueller.. Unpredictable Saha.. Could have been okay, but MON didn't give him a chance. Rose.. Fantastic but not out player. So despite inheriting a below average squad from Bruce, Martin shelled out 30mill for the above players.. And by doing that he nearly landed us in the championship. The team wasn't up to scratch, but the tactics he used caused us to play the worst football I've seen at Sunderland for a long time. Always refusing to give the talented Connor wickam a chance, and sticking with the over weight and incredibly bad Titus bramble didnt improve things. I always wanted Martin to do well, but I'm glad he's gone, because he was taking us down. Now I know we've had some bad managers, but the majority of them had little or no investment. Where does Martin put himself on your list?
Name Nationality From To M W D L Win % Honours Notes â November 1879 August 1889 12 8 1 3 66.7 [25] Tom Watson England August 1889 August 1896 191 119 28 44 62.3 Football League First Division champions 1891â92, 1892â93, 1894â95 [26] Robert Campbell Scotland August 1896 April 1899 103 41 22 40 39.8 [27] Alex Mackie Scotland August 1899 April 1905 214 104 46 64 48.6 Football League First Division champions 1901â02, Sheriff of London Charity Shield champions 1902â03 [28] Bob Kyle Ireland August 1905 May 1928 817 371 155 291 45.4 Football League First Division champions 1912â13 [29] Johnny Cochrane Scotland June 1928 March 1939 500 212 122 166 42.4 Football League First Division champions 1935â36, FA Cup winners 1936â37 [30] â March 1939 March 1939 5 2 0 3 40.0 [25] Bill Murray Scotland April 1939 June 1957 512 186 140 186 36.3 [31] Alan Brown England August 1957 July 1964 332 138 88 106 41.6 [32] â August 1964 November 1964 18 3 6 9 16.7 [25] George Hardwick (caretaker) England November 1964 April 1965 29 14 3 12 48.3 [33] Ian McColl Scotland August 1965 February 1968 124 39 27 58 31.5 [34] Alan Brown England February 1968 November 1972 219 63 68 88 28.8 [32] Billy Elliott (caretaker) England November 1972 November 1972 4 0 2 2 0.0 [35] Bob Stokoe England 23 November 1972 18 October 1976 197 92 49 56 46.7 FA Cup winners 1972â73, Football League Second Division champions 1975â76 [36] Ian MacFarlane (caretaker) Scotland 18 October 1976 1 December 1976 7 2 1 4 28.6 [37] Jimmy Adamson England 1 December 1976 25 October 1978 88 29 28 31 33.0 [38] David Merrington (caretaker) England 25 October 1978 13 December 1978 8 4 2 2 50.0 [39] Billy Elliott England 13 December 1978 24 May 1979 26 14 7 5 53.8 [35] Ken Knighton England 7 June 1979 1 April 1981 94 34 25 35 36.2 [40] Mick Docherty (caretaker) England 1 April 1981 1 June 1981 4 2 0 2 50.0 [41] Alan Durban Wales 1 June 1981 2 March 1984 130 37 40 53 28.5 [42] Pop Robson (caretaker) England 2 March 1984 4 March 1984 1 0 1 0 0.0 [43] Len Ashurst England 4 March 1984 23 May 1985 66 21 16 29 31.8 [44] Lawrie McMenemy England 8 June 1985 16 April 1987 90 27 24 39 30.0 [45] Bob Stokoe (caretaker) England 16 April 1987 9 June 1987 9 3 2 4 33.3 [36] Denis Smith England 9 June 1987 30 December 1991 238 91 64 83 38.2 Football League Third Division champions 1987â88 [46] Malcolm Crosby England 30 December 1991 28 January 1993 60 21 15 24 35.0 [47] Terry Butcher England 29 January 1993 26 November 1993 45 14 8 23 31.1 [48] Mick Buxton England 26 November 1993 29 March 1995 76 25 24 27 32.9 [49] Peter Reid England 29 March 1995 7 October 2002 353 159 95 99 45.0 Football League First Division champions 1995â96, 1998â99 [50] Howard Wilkinson England 10 October 2002 10 March 2003 27 4 8 15 14.8 [51] Mick McCarthy Ireland 12 March 2003 6 March 2006 147 63 26 58 42.9 Football League Championship champions 2004â05 [52] Kevin Ball (caretaker) England 7 March 2006 31 May 2006 10 1 2 7 10.0 [53] Niall Quinn Ireland 25 July 2006 30 August 2006 6 1 0 5 16.7 [54] Roy Keane Ireland 30 August 2006 4 December 2008 100 42 17 41 42.0 Football League Championship champions 2006â07 [55] Ricky Sbragia Scotland 4 December 2008 24 May 2009 26 6 7 13 23.1 [56] Steve Bruce England 3 June 2009 30 November 2011 98 29 28 41 29.6 [57] Eric Black (caretaker) Scotland 30 November 2011 3 December 2011 1 0 0 1 0.0 [58] Martin O'Neill Northern Ireland 3 December 2011 March 30, 2013 54 19 16 19 35.2 [59] Paolo Di Canio Italy 31 March 2013 Present 4 2 1 2 50.0
Disagree with N'diaye. Every time I have seen him I have been impressed. Need the right (ball playing and attack minded) partner along with(not my choice but it will be) Cattermole and the middle will be canny. The rest, I kind of agree with.
The truth is, MON had a good couple of months when he first come, but ultimately, he was a failure. He spunked about 30m, and never improved us one jot. His tactics were unbelievably negative and it started to drive some fans away. The best thing we done was finish him and got Paolo in, and thats hard to say about any Sunderland supporter, which MON is, but its best for the club that hes gone.
we were going down with bruce, we were (still might) be going down with MON, bruce still pips MON as the worst for me like (out of the last 2 managers, depends how far back we are looking, wilkinson was the pits, agree with everything except N'Daiye btw
Bruce was the better manager at Sunderland, out of the two. Bruce played better football and was better in the transfer market.
The pdc effect... I don't know how you can say Bruce is worst. Look at the signings and excitement he brought to the SOL Bent Mig Sess Gyan Catts JOS Welbeck Muntari They arnt signings of a bad manager. We had exciting times under Bruce, and much preferred his team and style than MONs.. Ultimately he had to go, but atleast he excited us along the way.
The pdc effect... I don't know how you can say Bruce is worst. Look at the signings and excitement he brought to the SOL Bent Mig Sess Gyan Catts JOS Welbeck Muntari They arnt signings of a bad manager. We had exciting times under Bruce, and much preferred his team and style than MONs.. Ultimately he had to go, but atleast he excited us along the way.
its a tough one tbh marra, thinking back to when bruce got the boot we were appaulling as we were when mon got the boot. bent & gyan gone, fooked v fletcher & Johnson, Mon wins cana & catts, vaughan, gardner v N'Daiye, mon wins so many things to take into consideration, bruce pips it for me Mon was tinkering away, clearing out in little steps, improving the team, but failing miserably on the pitch imo, still dont know what the **** he was thinking selling campbell and buying graham like. like i say its a really tough one for me but its 52/48 in bruces favour when all considered for me like, not much in it at all, what a **** few years we've had
It's sad that deciding who was worse out of mon and Bruce is such a tough question. I still have difficulty believing that we've never played more unattractive or more unentertaining football than under mon, since the wilko and McCarthy (EPL) days. They can at least point to budget issues and being low-rep managers. As for mon, I'm at a loss to explain. Even when we won, I felt unfulfilled. I can only imagine what must have been going through the players' minds. I still can't hate mon, I'm just gutted.
If bruce had been able to manage the clash of ego's of gyan and bent maybe we would not have capitulated as we did, very, very bad piece of management imho and the start of his undoing, that situation alone sways it for me
you see, but then i think of our inability to break down 10 men on 4 occassions and not scoring v 11 for so long this season and i sway back towards mon, the qpr game at home and away, the norwich game, boro in the cup, its been ****ing **** bar, west ham, man city and reading at home under mon this season like, without pdc we would have likely been on 31 points and reading would still have hope, now thats abysmal Edit : actually reading wouldnt but its still a **** thought
And if my aunt had a cock she'd be my uncle. Can't really blame this season on that mate. We've been woeful all season apart from a few bright spots, as PDC Effect says. We deserve to be where we are for many reasons, but I wouldn't blame it on not having those 3. Bent would have fecked off by now regardless
He's got so much potential. Would love to see him push forward more and use his size and strength. His game's improved since he's been with us and he's got more to come.
