Knocky can do things none of those players can. How many of those could have scored those goals at Huddersfield? I'd like to see Morgan try! He's also young (in some cases, far younger) than those you mentioned. Knocky's problem, as Fallen said last night, is that he gets too hyped at times. He needs to develop a sense of composure. Some people might think that will reduce his dynamism, but his ability coupled with a sound footballing brain would make him a real prospect. Hopefully he'll learn from his experiences this season. He needs to mature. And work on his right foot. ;-)
All true - but for every flash of genius - he is prone (at this point in time) to 3 or 4 right dufus moments - all too often he gets the ball muddled between his legs and loses it, chooses a daft pass or overhits a set piece - yes he is young, and hopefully will improve thoses aspects you mention, but right now he is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a better 'technician' than the others ...
Agree until the last bit. He does have the technique (or tekkers as the kids say), just not the judgement, composure and, basically, experience to be as effective at times as some of those players you mentioned (and only some, I'd have Knocky ahead of Wellens, Gallagher and Marshall (on current form) any day).
He has a wand of a left foot when he's completely on song with it ... but he must learn to use his right as well, otherwise opposition coaches will soon have strategies to neutralize his threat. I agree with you about him being ahaed of Wellens, Gallagher and Marshall on form (although I've been bitterly disappointed with Marshal whose form seemed to dip with rumours of Premiership interest) but in your earlier arguments above, you mentioned Wes not being able to score the goals that Knocky scored at Huddersfield - very true - but would you play a diminutive Frenchman who can't head a ball, tackle or play even the simplest of passes with his right foot at centre-half? - course you wouldn't - currently Wes is a better all round technician than Knocky is in the role he plays - and there are others too.
Sorry lads, but that was a dive - but 95% of the modern day player would have done the same. If that gets done by Palace player tonight he'd be getting pelters in certain media circles
I haven't heard anyone say that it wasn't a "dive". But whether it was a dive or not and whether it was a foul or not are two different things.
LOL - You said that Knocky was the 'best technicican at the club' then You said that Wes couldn't score the goals that Knocky scored at Huddersfield - - then You said there was no point in a comparison. So I think what you might have originally meant to say (and I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong ) is that Knocky is perhaps the best winger at the club currently rather than the best technician?
I'm saying that Knocky wouldn't be able to play at centre back because he's tiny and would be beat in the air all day, everyday. Morgan wouldn't be able to do the things that Knocky can with his feet. I get what you're driving at, that there's technique to heading the ball and passing accurately (although these things are as much about concentration and composure as anything, things that I've already said Knocky could do with improving) but this are more common than the skillful feet that Knocky has. In many ways, Knocky has rare abilities - but (currently) lacks some of the qualities that even the most average Championship players have! The good news is, many of the things he lacks, you can learn.
I'd say it was the other way around. Knockaert's over-reaction made it look less of a foul than it was. The defender was subtle. Knocky was anything but.
Get a life pal, cheating is when you BREAK the RULES to your advantage and Watford havn't broken the rules in any definition, what they have done is found a way to bring in players without putting the club in debt. Your just pathectic in trying to slate of a club that has tried something different that has worked. If they wern't successful this season nobody would give a t.ss. You may not agree with it but don't make its cheating because it really is not sad man!!!!
I've read through this thread to get a Leicester perspective on the Penalty incident. It's pretty much what I expected, and pretty much what WFC fans would say in similar circumstances. I'm not sure what LCFC fans made of the Hogg incident in 1st half at Leicester - it looked stonewall to us! Anyway, I walked back to town with a LCFC fan, (who reckoned it was never a pen) cheerful, gracious, good talk on the game(s) as a whole, and all in all just how I hope I would be in same position - all LCFC fans have been a credit to the club, and the league - it must be the best league in the world (except for the refereeing, which from a WFC perspective, and it seems LCFC also has been absolutely dire) if you look at competitiveness, opportunities,fanc enthusiasm, commitment, and ,by and large, honesty. There is also a lot of skill and inventiveness on show - in WFC's case the passing accuracy has been superb. If WFC get up it would have 2 unexpected bonuses 1) It will upset Hollowhead intensely, which is what he deserves after his ill-judged inaccurate rant. 2) We can for 1 season at least ignore all those deeply unpleasant people from LUFC who seem to infect every discussion they barge in on. A very unlovely crowd. All this ramble leads me to the point about 'diving'. I understood that a dive is when a player goes down when he doesn't need to fall, or can easily prevent himself , irrespective of 'contact'. (In fact Knockaert seemed to me to be beyond Cassetti and had time to cross the ball, before he 'fell over'. He may have been 'touched', and impeded, and that maybe should be penalisable (but seldom is). Arms across the chest seem commonplace in every challenge. I also think it's a dive when a defender (often a goalkeeper) goes for the ball, attacking player deliberately leaves a leg to be caught, or puts it in the goalkeepers body/arms/legs. He feels a touch, falls over, when it would be more natural to take a stride over the defender. What to do, apart from argue all day ? It might help if the lawmakers and their executioners (referees) indicated in some easily available format, what constitutes a penalisable offence, and what isn't (hence simulation...) They could do this by reference to known incidents, irrespective of the decision at the time. Us innocents on the terraces might at least understand a bit more and , occasionally be more understanding of referees - even though most of them appear to be complete muppets. It might well come to the point of instant video replays and decisions from a 5th official (panel?). It sounds awful, but if it reduced cheating of any sort, I'd be all for it. Finally, I wish LCFC all the best and a bright future - lovely stadium, good fans, great history, it woould be good to be playing you in Premier league (mad though it is) in season after next.
Thanks JT. When I was growing up (all those years ago), it was deemed to be a brilliant tackle if you could get the ball and then clatter the opponent in the same challenge. If you pulled someones shirt or put your arms around the opponent it was a foul. It seems that laws these days differ whether an incident took place in or out of the penalty area. It frustrates and often annoys supporters hence the frequent chant of 'we always get **** refs'. Would be interesting to know what instructions are given to refs on what is allowable in the penalty area when it isnt outside of it.
PS - I hope you absolutely obliterate Palace. love to see Ollie in a strop. Am sure he will rant on about loan signings - in fact he is probably already practicing in front of the mirror.
If big wez had done it to one of their players we all would have said he was just stronger and they went down to easy. It wasnt a foul nor was it a pen would I have cared if he scored no little bit of shame thats how we won, but we didnt end of 81 days until we start all over again
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I actually love all that! It's the next few weeks when nothing will happen that's boring. Assuming Pearson isn't sacked.
