Best atmosphere ever. That was beautiful and lovely. We had the place rocking throughout. We now welcome our 20th Manager, could a club be more stable?
I think Terry just ended up getting a lot of stick for the whole Chelsea celebration, which was pretty undignified with Bosingwa, Terry, Lampard and most of the Chelsea squad wrestling to be the one who lifts the cup, rather than the captain on the day or a senior player lifting it. When you compare it to the previous year, when the whole Barca squad walked calmly past the cup to let Abidal be the one to lift it, the celebration did come off as rather crass and unnecessarily egotistical on the part of a lot of the Chelsea squad, of which Terry is the most hated in general. Also, Terry got stick not for collecting a medal or partaking in the celebrations, but for insisting that he be the one lifting the cup, despite having played no part in the final. If Rooney or Rafael had tried to shove SAF out of the way to lift the PL trophy today, I think they'd get just as much stick as Terry did. Likewise if Keane or Scholes had been forcing their way to the front of the queue in 99.
You said: "No, the thing I object to if anything is you coming on here and comparing Rooney collecting his medal to Terry when it isn't the same. Rooney earned his and wasn't banned. Rafael earned his and did not receive the trophy, the captains did." Your objection was that people came on here to compare Rooney and Raphael collecting their medals to Terry collecting his, and in the very next sentence said that the reason for that objection was because Raphael and Ronney had earned their medals, how in the hell is that to be construed as anything other than an inference that Terry didnt deserve his? (FYI, I think Terry is a bell end, and am not defending his actions in that semi final, just pointing out the hypocrises)
Where in the hell did you read that Terry insisted on being the one to lift the cup? Because everything I read pointed to Terry giving up the honour to Lampard, but Lampard said he wouldnt do it unless JT joined him
We're comparing the two incidents because Chelsea supporters came on the thread to make the comparison and that is not me saying Terry didn't deserve medal. ****ing end of. It stems only from the comparison being made by your mates in the first place, whether Terry deserves his was never mentioned by me, what was is that Rooney and Rafael do.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelseas-john-terry-and-frank-lampard-821676 “I hope I can lift a trophy with Frank again in Munich,” admitted Terry. “We did that when we did the Double by winning the FA Cup and the Premier League. It’s those moments that live in the history of this club and it’s important myself and Frank are there lifting the trophies.” It may be the Mirror, but it's still a quote from the man himself, not a rumour or 'attributed to a source'. And even if Lampard did want Terry to join him for the presentation he could still have refused, like Keane and Scholes did. I think he'd have gotten a lot less stick had he done that and lifted the trophy later on the pitch. But then, like you say, he is a bell end who thinks his own importance is on a par with the club.
I'm trying to see the part where Terry INSISTED but I can't. I do see where he says I hope but obviously that isn't close to being the same thing.
He could hardly say "I insist on lifting a trophy with Frank again in Munich” unless he and Frank were planning on lifting the trophy even if Bayern won the match. Who knows, maybe he had a full Bayern kit and shinpads in his kit bag as well?
Frankly, I'm getting a bit fed up with the whole Wayne Rooney circus. United's success over the years has been based on everyone pulling in the same direction. Of course, there have been talented individuals that often made the difference, but everyone worked towards a common goal. Rooney doesn't appear to have grasped that there is no I in team and in his words, he is no longer the 'big man' at United. Much of this is down to him, not least the poor way in which he has conditioned himself when not playing, meaning that he rarely hits the ground running when coming back from a lay-off. Also, his contract negotiation from 2-3 years back can now be seen as a Pyrrhic victory for him. He had the short term gain but Ferguson ultimately had the power dynamic shift in his favour because Rooney had stepped out of line. Ferguson went on a limb for him all the while Rooney was useful to him, but now that Van Persie is the kingpin of the United team, he has come to realise that he no longer needs to put up with Rooney's antics and is of the mind that Rooney's fitness as he heads towards 30 mean his future lies not as a striker but in a deeper role, which Rooney seems unable to accept. Moyes coming in might provide him with a lifeline, but I think Ferguson's last act as manager will be to recommend to the board (on which he will serve) that it is time to move Rooney on, not least if it raises funds to make a major marquee signing.
United don't need him like they used to and Rooney looks like he needs a new challenege. Looks a good time to just part and move on. Never saw Rooney as the going abroad type though. Would United sell to another English club though??
id sell him he's 27 United have gotten the best out of him but with the media still behind him im sure you will get some one to give you 40 million for him likely PSG or one of these Russian clubs.
For the right price I think we would, yes. At the same time that would show him that we don't see him as a threat either, why boost his ego by cracking on we're scared of what he might do to us? My stance has always been that if he thinks he can do better elsewhere or isn't prepared to put in the graft to win back his place then he can leave, it really is his problem. I rate him, massively. I'd love him to stay and break our scoring records like he is capable of doing and should. But if he doesn't have the heart to work for that then it's bye bye.
Rooney stays for the right reasons then great, Rooney goes because he wants to then so be it! No body knows what's true and what's false all we know is that he has previous for transfer request, fergie has previous for freezing players out ie, Stam, Nistlerooy etc. But it's now Moyes decision, but if he does go then it won't be to a PL rival, maybe PSG for me IMO.
I fully expect the law suit from Rooney now given that Fergie has lied about this live on television. The silence is deafening though don't you think?
Then surely his agent would have refuted the direct claim that he has? Sorry, but that's bollocks imo. United DO want him gone imo, but the request was his - they've just called his bluff by going public with it.
“It’s those moments that live in the history of this club and it’s important myself and Frank are there lifting the trophies.” Kind of sounds like he was pushing to be a big part of the celebrations to me. No one would've given a toss if he'd just gone up, collected his trophy and blended in with the other players who were celebrating. Like others players who were in the same situation have done in the past (and the other suspended Chelsea players). He got stick because he chose to make himself the focal point. Also, pretty sure the decision to change into playing kit was made by Chelsea, not UEFA. And I wouldn't put it past Terry insisting for that to happen so he could forget about being suspended when he looks back at those photos. Terry's biggest contribution to that victory was getting himself sent off. I always feel more confident of a Chelsea loss with him in the team. 5 years ago he was very good. He's been poor since. I also find it amusing how you persist with your tag, both statements are very untrue.
