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  1. Lieutenant

    Lieutenant Well-Known Member

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    Judge your food on how you feel afterwards rather than how it tastes because if something is bad for your body, how can you call it a treat?
     
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  2. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Its certainly a mistake Pardew has made this season. He feared the fans I suspect which is something he'll need to learn from if allowed to continue (which I doubt). I understand why, if he dropped Cabaye when fit for say Anita, we all know the vast majority would be up in arms telling him he doesn't know what he's doing. If he had dropped Debuchy for the much maligned Simpson, you'd have had the "how can he play him ahead of Debuchy, he is so limited, is Pardew blind?". Look at the reaction of late to him not starting the chubby HBA. He has had to take him off as he has gassed and been completely unprodcutive and the fans question "why?". Me personally I think "why the **** does HBA not respect the club enough to get himself ****ing fit?!"

    You have to have a thick skin to work at Newcastle, we can be brilliant when things go well, but when faced with adversity, we can quickly start looking for a scapegoat in my experience. Pardew has given the fans a readymade one this season as he has cracked under pressure. Some of that has transmitted to his players and his players have also badly let him down.

    Many a manager has fallen into the trap of relying to heavily on a set of blue chips. The mistake Pardew has made why he has has joined them is he has assessed their character incorrectly. Sometimes I'd pick a Speed or Shearer when out of form, because I know they'd still give me a 7 out of 10. Cabaye will give you a 4 as will Tiote.

    He tried desperately to keep Demba because the lad delivered for him. Cisse was out of form and with no HBA, the balance wasn't the same as the previous season. He assessed his squad wrongly and didn't understand that no HBA meant no 433 (or least not the one from last season). If we had been able to play 433, you could have rotated Ba and Cisse as they did at times in the 2nd half of last season. He could of course have just dropped one or the other but in reality we did nott have a winger for the other side as Marveaux is poor there.

    Tiote should have been dropped for Perch too and Cabaye for Anita. I agree completely, these are certain mistakes Pardew has made which have contributed to a very poor season. He should have been brave enough to take the flack from the fans rather than tinkering to try and find a best fit. I actually think Cisse improved massively from his spell out wide in terms of his all round game but it was still a mistake.

    We agree on many things he has done wrong, I just refuse to absolve the players and board from blame. Its always a collective effort as it was when we did well. Pardew was a massive part of that success I don't care how other people dress it up. The board left us short on numbers and depth of quality and then hurridly tried to rectify it in January when the damage was already done (and they still didn't buy an attacking option to replace Ba). The players have lacked cojones for me and all said and done, they are on the pitch and can actually physically influence proceedings. They failed. Getting rid of Pardew might satisfy some, but I think they are massively mistaken if they think a new manager will come in with the same set of heartless players and it'll all be cured. You may get a honeymoon where it all looks rosy, but tough times arrive for all clubs and you need players who can step up to the plate. We don't have that.
     
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  3. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    No fibre or casein.

    On your diet, by about 10:30 I'd have ripped off my own head and started to look for somebody else's head to eat.
     
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  4. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    The position you find yourself in is because of a few factors, although I won't go into another Pardew rant, we all know how good he is.

    Your owner is a gambler by nature, you disposed of a few fringe players such as Leon Best, Danny Guthrie and Lovenkrands and pinned your hopes and prayers on a few kids you'd acquired or nurtured who have turned out to be below the required standards. Best partnered Ba well before Cisse came along, Guthrie was a hard worker and Lovenkrands from what I hear was the heartbeat at Newcastle, the guy who brought everyone together. Obviously there might be little room for sentiment but in any case, they weren't adequately replaced.

    You've had injuries and more games to play than most teams around you, this can't be totally ignored.

    You have no combative element to your team. Tiote provided this but Pardew somewhere along the line has asked him to curb his aggression and he's ended up lost in some awful place. Before him, you had Joey Barton and Kevin Nolan, as well as Andy Carroll. Barton was great for you, another who was never replaced. He might have cost you a few points but by hook or by crook he'd usually earn you more than he lost, with Nolan and Barton in your side now I reckon you'd be more than safe.

    Your manager has run his squad into the ground. They're all knackered, unfit and probably don't get anywhere near enough fitness and conditioning training, which would explain the silly amount of injuries.

    Your captain has shat his nappy. For one reason or another, I'm sure we'll all find out soon enough, he doesn't wanna stay at Newcastle. He's been your best player and last season would have walked into any team in this league.

    Demba Ba. He was always going to leave, he did leave and Pardew had lost the plot by the time he did leave. He should have been dumped pre-season and told to sign a new contract or find a new club, you had a situation where a player was much more important than your team. Even Fergie would get sacked if he ever put one player ahead of Manchester United, it should just never happen.

    If I was your manager, I'd have Simpson in the team, alongside Coloccini, Taylor and Perch. I'd not be relying on any Frenchman in my back 4 whilst I'm looking to grind out a much needed win.
     
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  5. Graham Carr's Binoculars

    Graham Carr's Binoculars Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but this "French players aren't up for the fight" is pure horse sh*t. Veira, Petit, Henry, Clichy, Cabaye, Gallas, Makele, Evra and loads more have all been league champions at some point, you don't win a championship unless you have heart, fight and spirit.

    Pardew has made countless mistakes such as non rotation of the midfield, Ba-Gate, Marveaux on the bench for the first half of the season, set pieces, players in the wrong position, too many favourites, draining Cisse's confidence plus loads more I can't be bothered to mention. I mean the one time he tried to rotate the team was away at Brighton in the cup when he had no players, yet he still played Marveux on the bench and started Abeid, Bigi & Sammy!!!!

    One of his main faults though, his press conferences. After a defeat and poor performance he'd claim we were unlucky, tiredness, too many injuries...you name it and he used it as an excuse.

    If you continually tell an individual/team that they're unlucky over and over they'll soon begin to believe it. He tried that spiel for months and we didn't improve. Now some players need an arm round the shoulder and encouragement, others need a bollocking and need to be dropped etc. If ever there was a time when he needed to call a spade a spade and admit we were just plain awful it was the Reading game. He could have placed responsibility on the players to improve instead of smothering them in cotton wool. He didn't blame the players though, he instead once again bemoaned bad luck, tiredness (just like he has all season) but worst of all is that he blamed us, the fans for our reaction to Cabaye being subbed!! PATHETIC!

    Yes the players should take some blame, but if someone tells you you're doing a poor job you want to prove them wrong. However if you're aware you're doing a bad job but your manager says don't worry, it wasn't your fault you were just unlucky over, and over, and over, and over again you will believe it. You will begin to feel sorry for yourself, you will doubt whether you're good enough because it just eats away at your confidence. It's a psychological/mental thing.

    He should have tried a different approach to get a different reaction from his team, but instead he didn't and just like his tactics, set pieces (diaganol to taylor) and subs (Shola for a midfielder whether we're winning or chasing a goal) he tried the same thing repeatedly. It really is amateur management. It is indefensible, yes the players are also at fault, but Pardew ran players in to the ground through non rotation, played players our of position and constantly absorbed them of said blame meaning he no longer had the ability/authority to inspire them as he was too worried to upset anyone.
     
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  6. Nads

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    I think it's more that YOUR French players aren't up for the fight jiggy, French players have excelled Europe wide for many, many years.
     
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    Just thought I'd mention that Wigan have never beaten Swansea in the Premier League having drawn one and lost the other two of their three meetings! We are without a win in seven games, and the Cup win hangover has gone on for far too long, last Saturday against Citeh, we played well holding them to a goalless draw, and I'm hoping for that to kick us on to a win tonight, I'm going with a Swansea win 2-0!...............<cheers>
     
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  8. Graham Carr's Binoculars

    Graham Carr's Binoculars Well-Known Member

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    Again though, Cabaye, Debuchy & Yanga-Mbiwa are all league champions. Cabaye and Yanga-Mbwia were league winning captains so for me it's garbage. Players lose confidence in a manager and stop playing for them.

    It happened with your lot at Bruce, I mean look at the transformation when O'Neill took over. It happens at loads of clubs and it's happened at ours. It's a manager thing and not a player thing with us. I'm almost certain of that, they simply no longer believe in his methods and his dinosaur of an approach to the game.
     
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  9. Nads

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    Unquestionably Pardew is the main issue mate, but you can't excuse the players, you just can't mate.

    Same goes for us.
     
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  10. Lieutenant

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    They're tips but yes Casein after a workout is good.
     
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  11. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    <ok> 100%
     
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  12. Kifflom!

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    FYI we are without Michu and Chico tonight. Both injured. <sorry>
     
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  13. Beardsley's Rancid Sack

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    What we all want to see tonight

    1/ Swansea win by three or more goals.

    2/ Maloney gets injured, out for the remaining games

    3/ McMannaman gets sent off then slips horribly in the tunnel shattering both legs.

    4/ Whelan, believing an equaliser has gone in, goes mental. Happily, it is ruled offside but DW doesn't know and during the celebrations accidentally tumbles from his seat into the lower tier. His injuries mean he cannot lead his beloved team out for the cup final which coincidentally they get stuffed 8-0.
     
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  14. Obaoutofthetoon09

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    God I hope this happens! :D
     
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  15. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    This sounds good to me and not too much to ask :D
     
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  16. Rafa's Championship Party

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    <grr>, why does this sort of thing keep happening.
     
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  17. Obaoutofthetoon09

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    Because Wigan are a slimy, lucky bunch?
     
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  18. Rafa's Championship Party

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    I meant things always seeming to go against us. Look at last night, Gardner gets sent off for Sunderland and it ends up helping them.
     
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  19. Lieutenant

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