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About Time Republic of Ireland

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  1. Medro

    Medro Well-Known Member

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    In Ireland's war memorial gardens, the dates of both world wars are carved into the stone of a monument.

    But this country remained neutral in the conflict between 1939 and 1945.

    In order to fight in World War II, thousands of soldiers left the country and the Irish Army to join the British forces.

    They became known as deserters - a title intended to carry shame. And when they returned after battle many were treated as anything but heroes.

    'Made to feel ashamed'

    In Paddy Reid's home there are pictures of his father Paddy senior serving alongside British troops in Burma. For years they remained in the attic largely ignored.

    "I am sure when my dad came back he didn't feel ashamed but he may have been made to feel that," Mr Reid said.

    "I was told as a kid - your father is a traitor, you should be ashamed of him.

    "There was no relief, no sense of a job done... It was pretty oppressive in this country."

    Apology and pardon

    Deserters were found guilty of going absent without leave by a military tribunal.

    Their punishment came after the war when many of the soldiers headed home to Ireland.

    They were barred from holding jobs paid for by the state, they lost their pension rights and many faced discrimination.
    Last year the Irish government apologised for the way they were treated and on Tuesday Defence Minister Alan Shatter is due to announce details of a pardon during a debate in Ireland's parliament, the Dail.

    The legislation is expected to be passed and signed into law by the Irish president within days.

    The bill also grants an amnesty and immunity from prosecution to the almost 5,000 Irish soldiers who fought alongside the allies.

    Campaign victory

    Campaigners say only a handful of men are still alive, but it is a victory for their long battle to ensure the troops' service is properly recognised.

    "It might be an historical issue for the politicians, but not for the families," Peter Mulvany, coordinator of the Irish Soldiers Pardons Campaign, said.

    "It will be a recognition that the experience they went through post-war was unfair.

    "It was a punishment that they should not have been given.

    "This amnesty, this exoneration will remove that stigma."

    Upset at deserters

    The soldiers were, of course, always proud of having played a part in the battle against Nazi Germany.

    But leaving one army to join another was controversial in the 1940s.

    The relationship between the relatively recent Irish Free State and Britain was strained.

    And there was a practical reason for people to be upset - many felt the men were needed at home.
    In his house, Paddy Reid has a letter from a soldier who served in the Irish Army during the war years.

    In it, the former officer criticises the way the deserters were treated after 1945, but he says within the country's forces there was anger at their decision.

    They believed that every soldier was needed to ensure Ireland was able to defend itself against the threat of invasion.

    Effect on families

    However, the punishment the former troops faced had an effect on their whole families in peacetime.

    "My dad could not find work for many years - in fact his first real job was not until 1961," said Mr Reid, who became visibly upset as he remembered what happened decades ago.

    "My mother was the one who really carried the stress of trying to survive on almost nothing.

    "It was tough trying to bring up kids with no money and abuse at the same time.

    "It was a whole lifetime of defending your dad."

    In Ireland, time has brought a new perspective to the actions of the men dismissed as 'deserters'.

    Their families hope a pardon will mean in future they are remembered only with honour.
     
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  2. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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  3. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Viva Medro
     
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    EDGE. Official POTY 2011, 2014, 2015, 2018 & 2023

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    "Paddy Reid"

    So this is Mick's reason for living on British soil.

    The shame of his Grandfather fighting fascism on behalf of the British.
     
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  5. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    <laugh>.
     
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  6. Medro

    Medro Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>

    Highly likely I would say.
     
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    I'd like to salute those brave micks that joined up with the stiyy upper lipped ones.

    They were the Heroes.

    David Bowie recorded a song called Heroes in 1962 where he likened the Paddy Fighters to dolphins swimming in the ocean. He knew they were all Kings and their Queens waited patiently at home hoping they returned unharmed. In the song he also likened the War to Hadrians Wall where Irish lovers would meet to kiss and cuddle under the fire of weaponry.

    Not many people know this true meaning to the song.
     
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  8. RAVENBLACK

    RAVENBLACK Well-Known Member

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    well v is rather close to f.
     
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  9. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    ...but the "y" you actually used is no where near it. Put yer ****in specs on auld man.
     
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    You're right you know, I didn't have them on <laugh>

    ER make a **** of himself Part VIII
     
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  11. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    No bites then Paddy?
     
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    Patience Spastic Arab

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  13. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    I didny get a single one on the Bobby Sands thread. Not a one.

    Dunno whit the **** am doin wrong.
     
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  14. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    To be fair the source material was pretty thin.
     
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  15. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    <laugh>.
     
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  16. Medro

    Medro Well-Known Member

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    Bites?

    Simply posting a story about RoI finally doing a good thing.
     
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  17. Bib Fortuna's Maw

    Bib Fortuna's Maw Well-Known Member

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    Jesus Christ, Padraig, I know English isn't your first language but at least make an effort.
     
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