... as they showed with the sackings of Sousa and Sven? ...you fly in the face of any 'evidence' and seem to assume that YOU know what our owners are thinking - how is that? - are you part of their inner circle? -if you actually mean it's just your opinion then fine - you are certainly entitled to it - just as we all are - now for me, I see them as hard nosed businessmen who are used to 'achieving' success in very difficult and competitive markets - and if we don't achieve in ours they will make changes - and in football that is invariably the managers first. Does thinking as I do make me any less a loyal fan of Leicester City than you? - not at all - I'll support them whoever the manager is - but some managers are better than others - and we are all entitled to preference -Nigel has yet to convince me that he is the right man to establish us as a competitive force in the Premier League - it's nothing personal - has a lot to do with not being able to break us from an abject run of results (until now) and that tactically he has been outwitted more than once, both this season and during his first spell - you can't afford that in the Premier league As I said - it's nothing personal and I hope he proves me wrong.
... nice spin on it which supports your views ... but here is another ... how about that the owners did not sack Pearson because doing so at that stage would have been worse in terms of any prospects of promotion/play-offs this season - if you read back you'll see that despite my criticism of NP I consistently maintained that sacking him at this stage would have been silly ... but as AKCJ says, and I am of his view - I can't see NP in charge next season if we are in the Championship ... just because you don't like that and disagree is irrelevant ... it's called an opinion - you seem to begrudge any that don't align with yours ...
Fosse, I cannot believe you are a moderator of this forum...call yourself a fan ? Your as Fickle as they come ! Not the best of time to slag NP off just before a couple off the biggest games in our yo-yo history.... hope none of our true fans or any LCFC players/staff are reading your negativity
Mick - yes I call myself a fan - man and boy since 1969 - and I haven't 'slagged off' NP - unless you count expressing concerns about him being able to manage at the highest level slagging off - and on that front all I've actually said is that he has yet to convince me - sorry if that offends you but I'm not on my own there - as for being a moderator - what do you think 'moderation' means - perhaps pretending that a run of two wins in 16 games demonstrates brilliant and effective management fits your criteria of a 'good mod' - again apologies - I only say it as I see it - just my opinion - I don't start accusing anyone of being disloyal or less of a fan just because they don't agree with my view...
As I've said a million times now - the Sousa and Sven sackings are not comparable to Pearson's situation. I seem to know? My quote was: "I'd like to think our owners are a bit more sensible than some of our fickle fans." I don't claim to know anything. It's not even what I think. It's what I hope. Also in business you have to risk assess. Is the likelihood that you stick with the current set-up (assuming we don't go up as you obviously are) and hope that things improve (not that much improvement is necessary) or do you take a risk on someone else that's as likely to send us down as he is up? It's no-brainer to me, but as you said, it's their call. Nobody is questioning anyone's loyalty to Leicester - we wouldn't be having these heated debates if we didn't all care. It just troubles me that some of our fans get into a negative nosedive in their thinking when they're dreams don't come true right here, right now. I began to question whether automatic was a real possibility after the start we had to be honest. But what I saw from early on was a good, young team playing good football and it made me excited about the future of our club. Maybe not for this season, maybe for next. But we're finally doing things the right way after the nightmare of Sven, who clearly didn't have a clue about this league and spent a fortune on players because he'd heard of them, despite the fact that most of them were past it. In a nutshell, I believe we should stick with Nige because we're not a million miles away from where we should be. With another manager, we might well be. Call it "better the devil you know" if you like.
What is a fickle fan? Thought it was someone who went to matches when we did well and didnt go to matches when we did poorly. Why call someone fickle when they have a different opinion to yourself? But you are right - we do all care about our club, but at the same time neednt be called fickle or negative when we have opposing views. I think my opinion of NP has been clearly made for the points I have previously made. Does that make me negative - you may think so but I dont. It simply means I have a different opinion. Does it make me fickle? I havent torn up my season ticket in disgust cos of Feb/March performances. I have never booed players or manager. But if we cant express our views on a forum without being pigeonholed as fickle/negative, then ffs. The comment that I have read tonight questioning Fosse as a moderator for the Forum cos of his opinion is bewildering. As Fosse has said, and you have said Gangsta - we all support our team and will get behind them all the way. And while NP is manager he will not be a target of vitriole from me, but I do have the right to express my opinion.
FF have a different opinion has nothing to do with him being a mod. Me and Fossie along with everyone else all have different opinions. Some we agree on many we don't That's the beauty of forums. What the point just agreeing with everything someone writes
It's not spin, we were in the top two for about two or three games all season. I agree that sacking a manager mid-season is unhelpful but I also think that sacking a manager who has only just missed out on his target (which he didn't in the end, but if he did) would also be unhelpful. Sacking a manager is not always the solution. If you're miles away from your target then fair enough. We weren't/aren't. I have no problem with people putting forward a good case for sacking Pearson but the only argument for it that I've read yet is because we had a bad run of 15 games out of about 60 (in his second term) in which we often played well get looked nervy at times due to inexperience.
Well we finished miles off automatic promotion (the aim). If he had proved capable of turning a bad run around then we'd have either comfortably finished in the play-offs (see Brighton) or earned automatic promotion. Saying we looked nervy due to inexperience is a poor excuse, he's had 3 transfer windows with backing that no other side in the league can match. Everything was fine until we hit the buffers and couldn't get going again. If we go up (the aim) then I fear we'd be bullied under him, I don't think he has the ability to pick his team up and get them going again after a couple of defeats. That's my opinion.
You can discount last season completely. Yes he bought in Ben Marshall, Danny Drinkwater, Wes Morgan a long with a short term loan in Nathan Delfouneso but had he brought more in it could have done more harm then good. He had to try and shake off the reckless spenders tag Sven gave us so getting value for money was always going to be difficult if he jumped into the market 2 footed In the summer other then Vardy and Whitbread all his signings have been huge sucesses
ffs as the old saying goes, opinions are like arseholes we all have one! let's just be happy that we have a chance in playoff's and what will be will be (sorry if spelling is wrong been on the pop)
A fickle fan to me is one whose opinion is influenced by recent occurrences as opposed to looking at the bigger picture. Fans who thought that Pearson was good enough 20 games ago but don't now are fickle. You don't become a rubbish manager over 15 games. FF has said he has never been convinced by Pearson (although he obviously kept quite about this during the good times) which is fair enough. Obviously it will be incredibly tough to convince him otherwise - only getting promoted and staying there will please him, which to me would be an unbelievable achievement that only a handful of clubs our size or smaller ever achieve (at least half the Premiership are bigger clubs than Leicester and three of the other ten go down each year). The bigger picture I speak of is our league position. We have ended pretty much where we have been all season but because our form has been divided (inconsistent early on, really good midway, really bad at the end) people are only concentrating on the season's finish. Some people forget that our early form was poor too, that we've actually done much better against the top teams in the second half of the season than we did in the first (despite the fact that more were away from home) and that most of Pearson's signings have been very successful. They're only concentrating on the fact that we were second for a handful of games, which is a really blinkered view of the facts. Good to hear you've never booed the team or the manager because that is certainly the worse type of fickle fan. We don't need those types at all, especially since we have a young team some of whom are only playing at this level for the first time. Don't see where Mick's coming from with the moderator argument to be honest, we're all entitled to our opinions and if we all agreed this forum would only be any use for WUMing like it used to be. But if people are thinking negative thoughts about this season when we have achieved our target (albeit only just) well I would suggest they need to reevaluate their expectations. Many of us would have taken the play-offs pre-season. If that's not good enough now then Pearson is clearly a victim of his own success in the minds of some.
No, our aim was promotion, and it's still on. You can't demand automatic promotion it's simply not realistic. We weren't miles away from automatic, only 11 points. It wouldn't take a huge amount of improvement next season (if we don't go up) it turn four defeats into victories. Nerves can affect anyone, especially if you're inexperienced. Our squad will be older and wiser next season. Pearson did act accordingly when he needed to make signings. We needed a striker, he brought in Wood AND Kane (most of us, if not all, we're delighted with these signings). We needed a winger in the summer, he brought in Knockaert. You certainly can't blame his signings, only the way in which they applied themselves. You say we didn't get going again but it's was the results that didn't turn rather than performances. The only match I genuinely remember in which we were really poor (minus the Cup matches) was Barnsley away. Add to that that we played seven of the top eight in the last ten matches, which made our run look worse than it was (Cardiff, Brighton and Palace for instance were great results away from home but because we didn't win added to the myth that we were rubbish for 16 matches). Regarding the Premier League, we really need to worry about that when we get there. None of us know how Pearson will approach that league, or how much he'll be allowed to spend. If he gets us up, it would be cruel indeed not to give him a chance.
I know where you're coming from, LG. But I do think a good man motivator/leader would have done better in terms of breaking that ****ing awful run. Then again, would that man have done the brilliant job in getting us 1st/2nd ish? It's obviously impossible to say. Without being a Championship manager, I would guess that its easier to manage a club when they're winning each week than when they're losing each week. Which is why I am looking at him over the season, not the last 17 games. True he managed to take us to the top of the league (I think even Huddersfield were in the autos at one spot) but you get nothing for doing that in the middle of the season.We're in the play-offs now and its his task (along with the players') to see us win it. Even if we lose at Wembley on penalties then we'll have still failed to match our expectation level. We'd still be rewarded the same as clubs like Barnsley, Millwall and Huddersfield with a spot in the Championship 2013/14 season. If we're not promoted (god forbid) then I think Nigel Pearson will lose his job because he'll have failed to match expectations for the second season in a row.
I know where you're coming from, LG. But I do think a good man motivator/leader would have done better in terms of breaking that ****ing awful run. Then again, would that man have done the brilliant job in getting us 1st/2nd ish? It's obviously impossible to say. Without being a Championship manager, I would guess that its easier to manage a club when they're winning each week than when they're losing each week. Which is why I am looking at him over the season, not the last 17 games. True he managed to take us to the top of the league (I think even Huddersfield were in the autos at one spot) but you get nothing for doing that in the middle of the season.We're in the play-offs now and its his task (along with the players') to see us win it. Even if we lose at Wembley on penalties then we'll have still failed to match our expectation level. We'd still be rewarded the same as clubs like Barnsley, Millwall and Huddersfield with a spot in the Championship 2013/14 season. If we're not promoted (god forbid) then I think Nigel Pearson will lose his job because he'll have failed to match expectations for the second season in a row.
If you read back far enough Gangsta you'll see that Nigel Pearson was never my preference to replace Sven for many of the very same reasons that I have maintained throughout - (and including our good run). So your definition of fickle doesn't fit that. Fickle to me is changing sides, allegiances to suit the situation - you'll never see me do that - say what I think and stand by it - but also willing to accept being wrong if proved so. So far all that NP has achieved is promotion from League One - that's fact. Getting into the play-offs the first time is worthy of acclaim with a side that came up from league one. Managing to scrape in this time with an injury time goal is fantastic in terms of being there in the end - but - given the financial backing he had and that we were only 3 points off Cardiff in January and the dismal run he struggled to make any impact on - underachieving. Just 'missing out' in football can be a death knell for a manager - Roberto Mancini has hinted that he may be sacked even if he wins the cup final (and with a Champions League spot in the back) - Cardiff appointed Malky McKay because Dave Jones just missed out - it worked. There is a big difference between being negative and being unconvinced. I've been positive at every Leicester City game I've attended in over 40 years of supporting them, that doesn't change now - but I'm still unconvinced about Nigel Pearson end of - anyone who isn't on what he has done so far is admirably loyal to the man but, IMHO, basing their estimation on him more on blind optimism than anything shown or achieved to date.
Was watching the Sunderland v Stoke game last night and hadnt a clue who I wanted to win. Would rather play Sunderland than Stoke next season, but in which league? Looks like we might be playing both or neither. Bring on Watford!
Nobody seems to have mentioned the possibility that we could get promoted and Nigel still gets the sack! Long shot I know, but if we go up massive investment will be needed and they (King Power) might think that won't trust Nigel with that sort of money.
