Actually I only ever visited Marcia(?) However when I went to Norway (Bergan, Oslo and many smaller towns) I noticed a massive difference in youth culture. In fact, I don't even believe that you believe what you're saying. You accuse me of being small minded, when was the last time youths acted in such a way at a youth final in spain? or anywhere for that matter. I wouldn't judge the delinquent spanish youth as I don't know much about it. But I can however judge the delinquent scottish youth, better than most people on this forum. Why? because unlike you I experienced it, in fact at one point of my life I embraced it. You have no idea what you're talking about. You probably never will. But if you honestly believe that it was just a bit of harmless immaturity by a couple of over excited youths, you're a diddy, plain and simple.
I take it you mean Murcia which is on the tourist trail and I believe has a population of under half a million. As for trouble at a youth final - I have seen a riot in a local area youth final in the city of Almeria which has a population of about 200.000, with armed Cuerpo Nacional de PolicÃa making a baton charge at one section of supporters of the losing team. Trouble caused by human beings of any age is therefore not confined to Scotland. The incident in question at the Scottish youth final may or may not have been caused by troublemakers but I am not, however, prepared to be as judgemental as you appear to be, based purely on media reports where sensationalism is the priority rather than what may be just some boring truth. Actually, since you have admitted that you at one point 'embraced' delinquent youth behaviour, you have confirmed that you are indeed now part of an older generation which has lost touch with the understanding of what it was like to be young ... maybe you believe that you should have been ostracised from society as a youth? And they say there's nothing worse than a reformed smoker ...
Of all your many thick as **** postings, this is right up there with your most mind mongingly thick as **** utterances. People who may or may not be youths may or may not have stood on plastic chairs. ****ing hell you are a delicate flower aren't you. Do they call you "princess" down at the drop in centre?
Something was bound to happen the first time we met. The hatred has been stoked over the last couple of years. The whole dynamics of our rivalry has changed forever. Our young fans need to learn to act better when representing our club. Was there damage in the rangers end? Not heard a lot about that. Pictures pud? ...no?
As MD says, the only folk in denial know nothing of the scum that inhabit Glasgow spoiling for trouble. Either that or pud went from seat to seat after they buckled under his fat arse <cheapshotapologypud>
Whoopee. Standing on seats at the football is neddish behaviour, not the worst example imaginable, but neddish nonetheless. And anyone with the tiniest modicum of intellect would be able to work out that standing on the seats may well result in damage to them - ie it's vandalism. I struggle to see how it could be argued otherwise. I condemn it, you, apparently, condone it.
Every country I've spent any considerable time in has had their own derogatory term for working class youth (our 'neds' or 'chavs'). In Malta the chavs behave much like ours, they shout loudly, they are quick to form opinions and let everyone in the world know them, they dress in designer gear, let their arses hang out of their boxer shorts and they throw **** at irritated passengers on buses - but they consume a lot less alcohol than the youths I knew (including myself) and there is a non-existent culture of hard drugs (or ****ing glue-sniffers). I spent a few months in Toronto a few years back and while the youth there also, in general, behaved better than the youth of Belfast you did have this much more hardcore group of junkie smackheads who will stab you for your watch. Somehow Belfast through all its trouble has managed to avoid the really hardcore drug users - which I believe Glasgow has not. Anyway my point is you get similar types of 'common' (I really want a better term than this) people everywhere who have only variations in language, fashion and their levels of depravity. I've spent no considerable time in domestic / urban Spain, but I imagine it to be much like everywhere else in this regard.
I entirely accept that you are struggling with how it could be argued otherwise. Vandalism as a crime is covered under a number of different pieces of legislation. They all require a guilty mind. If people are stood on chairs and have no intention of breaking them then it cannot be described as vandalism. There may be room to explore criminal damage or whatever (the equivalent is)through negligence but then there is an argument for a reasonable excuse. As for me apparently condoning it, as ever, i would urge you to look for the evidence. It is here in this thread
I've no idea what made you think I formed my opinion on media reports, but I didn't. As for me not understanding youth I do believe you're talking ****e. The last time I was involved in any stupid behaviour was New Year, when I broke my hand. Before that in October, when I was lucky not to be charged with assault. The only difference between younger boys and myself is I know what I've just done was stupid and regretted it. I don't think you know the difference between mindless stupidity and stupidity with regret. I don't believe being young gives you any excuse to act like an idiot. I'm done. I'm not willing to argue about this any further.
Wow! Some people are desperate to get their knickers in a twist. A few seats got broken? Im still surprised there wasn't more serious trouble. Our young fans need to realise they are under the microscope here and learn to behave better. I think we should be thankful that it wasn't a lot worse. Our dislike for each other has reached new levels.
I'm not bothered in the slightest by which particularly piece of legislation their neddish behaviour does or doesn't fall under. I don't think that particularly matters. It seems to me very clear that the behaviour of some celtic fans at the glasgow cup final was poor and that this reflects poorly on Celtic fans as a group. As ever you're obsessed with the minutiae and rather seem to be skipping over that - imo the bigger, far more important point. I'm basing my viewpoint solely on the undisputed fact that Celtic fans were responsible for breaking seats. There really isn't any acceptable excuse for dozens of seats being broken. I find it strange that you require the damage to be proven to be deliberate in order for you to accept that I'm not unreasonable in condemning the behaviour. I do wonder if you'd be so tolerant of "their" fans.
****s that break seats are in the wrong how ****ing insightful!!! I wish I was able to reach such groundbreaking observations.
So, no lessons learned which might just stop you repeating your 'stupid' behaviour and you can be a dickhead whenever you feel like it but as long as you regret it every time it happens that's ok ... and this sets you apart from younger lads who behave badly as well If you have not drawn your conclusions from the media or through hearsay, as to what happened at the youth final, how have you reached them? If you were actually present at the game, then can you give us your opinion on exactly what did occur?
