Has anyone else been foollowing the furore from the PFA dinner the other night? Reginald D hunter was hiored as the comic for the evening. Apparently he used the N word a few times and told a couple of sexist and anti semstic jokes. Cue uproar and outrage from a few there including our very own old boy Clarke carlisle (he booked him apparently so may have just been covering up his embarrassment with anger) and now the PFA have asked Hunter to pay his fee back. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ck-following-offensive-routine-at-awards.html I always thought that if you ask a comedian to avoid making jokes about certain issues you have just given them the green light to jump all over it. Mr hunter obviously thought the same. Very bad from the PFA once again - could ahve laughed it off but ocne again get themselevs so bogged down that they end up looking ridiculous. You can see the headlines when they start taking legal action against a black man for making jokes about balck men.........
You're right Dan, they should have read my signature,but no, they've removed all doubt! For the record I like Reginald, his deep south sense of humour is played to perfection!
According to Clarke he did not book Reggie and felt hiring him was a big risk - for me it's just another example of Football being so far out of touch with the rest of us. Now the PFA wring their hands and look at who to blame - no doubt so poor admin person will carry the can.
In fairness to whoever booked him, they didn't have a lot to choose from. Most of the British ones are either up to their necks in tax avoidance or about to be questioned under operation yewtree.......
I agree that some fault lies with the PFA for booking him if his act is not to their taste - although if they did request non racist humour given the footballing world's sensitivity he should either have declined to perform or complied with the request - not taken the money and carried on. We know the n word is abhorrent in footballing circles. Would anyone accept that racist bigot Frank Carson's style of humour now?
Not sure Mr Carson was a racist bigat but there we are. A couple of weeks ago you wrote a thread saying you hoped people would respect the dead - funny how things change.......
Now you query it you make me wonder if I have confused him with another comedian who was roundly condemned for bigoted racist remarks - if so then my comments were intended for that person. On your other cheap quip - I will always attack people who are racist sexist and homophobic - and generally bigoted - dead or alive. I would not however dance at their funeral, wish them dead or rejoice in their death - if you cannot see the difference then work on it. However I also stand by my other comment which is that I believe in the right of people to say things I do not agree with - but they need to choose the time and place and should not be surprised if others then criticise them for it. This forum certainly has rules and the Mods would no doubt remove any remarks you made if they were similar to the ones Reg Hunter made. I am fairly sure most of your posts are in General Forum as you have not made 6,707 post s on the Watford threads so it may be your tastes in humour are closer to those of Toby who was also criticised here recently. Each to their own .
Not sure what my posting history or sense of humour have to do with anything though you are worng on the GC front - the majority of my posts in the tiem i've been here are on the horse racing forum. Anyway, it could easily be argued that a comedian who bought joy and offence to millions in equal measure should be respected in exactly the same way as a leader who brought wealth and despair in equal measure. I'm out of this one as I really don't want to be banned from here.
I never bothered explaining myself because I don't have to. You never bothered to understand the context of what I said. Keep on name-dropping me
Dan - peace - this can be a sensible debate. I thought this thread was ENTIRELY about sense of humour and I was trying to acknowledge that these differ greatly from person to person. Assumed (wrongly) that it was GC not horses that accounted for your high level of non Watford posts - and it is common knowledge that GC is a lot shall we say "broader" than this forum so it could have meant you like that type of humour which is why you would defend it here. Wrong guess perhaps. It was you who brought up the comparison to MT - I can totally understand why she was hated by many - does not make it right to dance at her death though. However racism, sexism, anti-semitism and homophobia have rightly been driven off the humourous agenda and most people would agree that the last thing football needs is people using the n word in public. Thanks Dave - yes Bernard Manning - horrible bloke.
Blimey - I am not meaning to upset people. Toby - your joke was in GC and in that forum was probably in context. I have no intention of looking at GC to find the context - any joke that uses a real person and is supposed to get a laugh out of a suicide attempt is not funny to me. It was not your fault that it got posted to the Watford board - I know. However when you have had family member take an overdose then come back to me and tell me I should be more broad minded
I posted that joke because I was pointing out Mick's hypocrisy. When Gary Speed killed himself, jokes on the subject were banned, whereas when Maggie died, he actively encouraged them. I posted that joke following his post saying 'Post your best jokes now'. One of my closest friends has tried to commit suicide several times, I've had to talk him out of it a few times. Doesn't make your point any more valid. Do I think people in my family committing suicide is a laughing matter? No. Because like every subject, there will always be someone to be offended, whatever the scenario. You can draw the moral line if you want, but by doing so, you are implying that your views on what is acceptable/not acceptable are the ones everyone should follow. The rules on this forum are clear. I too abhor racism/homophobia/etc and have been an ardent supporter of getting people banned/warned when using inappropriate language.
I accept that puts an entirely different perspective on why you would post that joke - however it only means you would understand all the more why others found it offensive. Don't we all draw a moral line where we think it should be - it simply says "this is my line" - it does not imply we are making the rules for others' lines - how can we debate if we do not state what we believe? We are as one - hope we are still friends
I always argue too fiercely when I am standing alone. Have been surprised that I am the only one to question your criticism of the PFA. I really like Reg Hunter and like his humour so it is not him or his humour that I dislike - only that he was asked not to but did. Hey ho - I have commented on this thread ten times more vociferously than I feel - stupidly got sucked in to "defend" my integrity
Mrs Bloother and I saw Reg at Watford Colosseum last year. Can't remember if he used the N word, all we remember was, he wasn't very funny. Very disappointed. PFA should have done their homework though.
reg d hunter is one of the most thought provoking 'comedians' around-- his use of the n word is in ironic form-- if the PFA wanted a safe bland act they should of got that mcintyre bloke-- Reg D is a superb live scomedian , who makes questions many things, and leaves you with many things too think about..... obviously some people will not appreciate it, but he appeals to peoples intelligence, not dumbing down like so many cheap comics...
