Sorry I was not actually at the negotiations for the take over talks but when Ridsdale left we did not fall into administration. Anyway we are not paying Jones so it is no big deal, I simply do not think all this coming out at a time of great happiness has done the guy no favours at all. jck
SBFF & Jck, The point about the team punching above its weight is we had a poor squad with some quality players amongst them. Chops, Bellamy, Bothroyd and Burke were big fish in a small pond, for want of another metaphor. If memory serves me right when Chops went back to Sunderland didn't Whitts hit 25 the following season. Huds was poor until 2 seasons ago, is it a coincidence he hit his best form under MM? MM had an almost unique opportunity when he came on board, he could build from scratch and had the money to do so. MM has got us to the premier league within 2 years through shrewd management. I agree that the contract DJ negotiated for himself was obscene given our money issues at the time but that is not in DJs fault, he saw an opportunity and took it. He did his best to get us promoted and it wasn't good enough and he was sacked. When he came on board we were stuttering under Lennie, who also did a great job for us, but as with DJ he had taken us as far as he could. We've now moved onto the start of another phase in this clubs history under the guidance of MM and long may he reign with us moving forward form at least the next six years...
agree with the above..... however it could be worse........ http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22336538 how can it be that you are entitled to 100% of the remainder of your contract, not the standard year? that surely takes incompetancy to a level far beyond ridsdale plus compensation for appleton and the fact they had to pay a release fee to get him from blackpool...... ouch....
Jck, The club has acknowledged the claim is legitimate and they are negotiating a settlement at the moment. The "oral" agreement only related to the FA cup final bonus not the bonuses for reaching the play offs (100k) and the play off final (250k).
A bit like Ridsdale's "oral" agreement with Jimmy Floyd that JFH wouldn't invoke the second season contract if he played more than 23 games in his first season. It was worth about as much as the paper it wasn't written on.....and cost the club £750,000 compensation for a whole season's pay whilst Jimmy sat on his arse (and good luck to him ) Dave should have had it on a piece of paper to have any real chance of getting it.
Taff I don't mind reading to your opinions on things but I don't need the history lessons, especially as it's seen from your point of view. You believed the team overachieved under DJ, I don't believe that's true for the most part, teams that have overachieved aren't known as chokers. It is my opinion that DJ for the most part failed and underachieved with some of the teams he had at hand, at other times he done a fair job, we won't mention Ramsey as he obviously wasn't quality at the time?, and a few others that weren't in Jones liking and so got very little playtime. Like I said, i'm all for reading opinions, just remember I have some of my own.
We did do well enough with Jones but how stubborn was he...at least Malky makes early substitutions. I am not going to feel sorry for someone who has earned millions from this club and is now taking us to court, he above all people knows what we went through. Look guys we have our views, give him the money and lets look forward to premiership football. Cannot wait for the new season. jck
Absolutely agree with this and I get the feeling this Tan isn't so fond of giving money away on someone else's say so. Let Jones prove it if he can, otherwise take a hike.
sparkey please say you're joking about that. why the **** did the club pay a years salary to a player like that when we could have at least used him as a squad player???????
How long do we stay on these forums before we move over the the premier league forums? officially? jck
SBFF, I was responding to Jck and your good self. So no history lesson to you, on the same token neither is it a history lesson to Jck either. We all have our opinions but I also use the evidence to ensure DJ isn't maligned with untruths. If others read threads I like to try and back up my claims in the interest of debate and differing points of view. It appears you think I am personally attacking you but I am not, I am offering a different point of view and support my views with evidence.
So we all agree that the sums of money being talked about are obscene and that he should be paid the bonuses that he is owed for doing what the contract required him to do to get those bonuses. Everyone also seems to agree that he is a miserable whining ****er and sees a great opportunity to get what is owed now that we will be getting the money from getting promoted. The main point of contention seems to be if the team over or under achieved during that time but does anyone really care that much.
I don't regard it as a personal attack Taff, most of us on here have been talking for a few years now and have learned to accept our different ways. I don't accept your point of view is backed up with evidence though, it's still a point of view, although no less valid for that. If it were facts you were stating I could hardly dispute them ( and I don't dispute any of the facts you have made) for instance you say Jones overachieved, I say he didn't, I could mention a 6-0 thrashing by Preston her to make my point( lost out getting in the playoffs by 1 goal that year?) I call that failing whilst in a strong position, eg: underachieved. And there are a few other occasions where we were in a strong position and he failed eg: underachieved. These are points of view as you can point to the fact that he got us in those positions to start with? But they are points of view and not evidence, and for each case where he done a good job I can point to where he failed.
SBFF, Cool, glad to hear you're not taking it personally. It's sometime difficult to get something across with pen and ink. Where DJ failed he was paid accordingly and no promotion bonus. The Preston game was a real shocker and out of the blue when we were in the play off positions. Ultimately DJ failed and in came MM to lift the gloom. Today we have a much better squad with quality back up and youngsters coming through the academy, so onwards and upwards to the premier league via Hull this weekend.
Swampy - JFH turned up for training in July 2008. He was invoking the second year clause of his two year contract which gave him the option of the second year as he'd played more than 23 games in his first season with us. Ridsdale/Jones sent him home claiming that Jimmy had offered to waive that clause as we were struggling for players the previous season. The issue was one of a "verbal" understanding between Ridsdale and Jimmy that Jimmy denied was the case. Jimmy took the issue to court through Gordon Taylor at the PFA and won his case hands down. Nothing could be established about a so called verbal arrangement. Jimmy denied it and Ridsdale had nothing to prove it. The club was committed to pay his whole second year's wages of £750,000 for absolutley nothing and did.
sparky surely at worst hasselbaink would have been forced to earn those wages. i remember at the time that moron taylor bleating about how jimmy was upset and virtually on the breadline because of this, typical of how football seems to live in a world of its own with these sorts of things....... this at a time of winding up orders and the dave jones staple exuse 'small squad'......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22359471 Cardiff City settle bonus dispute with former manager Dave Jones Cardiff City have reached an "amicable settlement" with former manager Dave Jones over his claim of almost £540,000 in unpaid bonuses. Jones had taken the club to the High Court in London for money he says he was owed for guiding them to an FA Cup final and three Championship play-offs. But both parties met in Cardiff on Tuesday and were able to reach an out-of-court agreement. "I am glad that this issue has been resolved," said Jones in a statement. Jones, 56, managed the club to its highest league finish for 38 years in 2009 and the play-off final in 2010, before being replaced by Malky Mackay in June 2011. The writ revealed that Jones claimed he was owed a series of substantial bonuses for those achievements, plus £189,821 in termination payments. A £250,000 sum Jones received from the club in April 2011 for "outstanding bonuses" still left a £539,821 shortfall against the amount Jones believes he is owed, the writ claimed. "I would like to place on record my thanks to [chairman] Tan Sri Vincent Tan, [chief executive] Simon Lim and representatives of Cardiff City Football Club for the professional nature in which this matter was concluded in recent days," Jones, now manager of Sheffield Wednesday, added. "Having spoken directly with Mr Tan, informing him of matters that he had no prior knowledge, an amicable agreement was quickly reached to the mutual benefit of all concerned. For that he has my gratitude." Cardiff, who have landed a multi-million pound windfall by reaching the Premier League, thanked Jones for speaking to them to ensure a swift resolution. "All at the club thank Dave Jones for his valuable contribution to the club during his tenure as manager and wish him our very best in his future career," said Lim in a statement.
