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Neutral Perspective on Suarez (not incident related)

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by District Line, Apr 26, 2013.

  1. Sharpe*

    Sharpe* Senior Member

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    I agree to an extent - but there is a large different between a yellow card and a 10 match ban for what is essentially a very similar incident. 5 I could have accepted, 10 is zealous and just doesn't add up.

    They should in reality be judging him on the incident itself otherwise I think its personal. You don't have someone on trial for shoplifting who's previously murdered someone, go do down for 20 years becaue of their past. It should be on the incident that they've picked up on.

    What really annoys me is the FA's judgements are such a blur and appear to be so amateur. We're all clutching at straw trying to work out whats going on in their heads.

    They should have a clear framework but clerely don't. They would get laughed out of court with their case.
     
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  2. mustyfrog

    mustyfrog Well-Known Member

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    ffs he has bitten someone and got 7, bitten again and u want 3?
     
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  3. Englandfor2014WC

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    A ten match ban is utterly ridiculous, in my opinion the whole media reaction and general public reaction has been over the top.. Was it that bad? It was a bit weird but fairly amusing in its strangeness. He didnt kill anyone, or injure anybody. I find it strange that Liverpool fans/the club are agreeing in large and really condemning Suarez with some even saying its the final straw. The racism incident was far worse and Liverpool fans were having none of that....

    I disagree that there is any underlying racism by the english public as to why Suarez is banned. Plenty of S.Americans and foreign players are loved here. Aguero, Messi, Pele, Zola, Henry etcc.. Its only Suarez thats loathed and thats because he is a nasty little player. Why bring race into it. Joey Barton is loathed too!

    Its embarassing to see Man Utd and Liverpool fans argue as they are both so blinkered and biased, so the arguments are generally pointless (there are exceptions - Gerrez seems to look objectively). An example of this is Sisu's response to big bird, completely over the top and just hurled insults as he knew he was losing the argument. Suarez could shoot someone and Sisu would still find a way to blame Manu for it. Likewise, Suarez could achieve world peace and save a guys familys lives and if he was a MAnu fan he would still hate him.

    Suarez deserved a 3 - 5 game ban, but he is a dirty little player, end of. Would he be missed if he left, not in my opinion. He is good, but not that good. Not top scorer in the league and has gone missing in several games this season. He is no Ronaldo or Messi. Bales better as well :)
     
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  5. mustyfrog

    mustyfrog Well-Known Member

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    so ****ing what, the ****er has his second offence for biting,i think you are saying a murderer can get 7 years but for a second offence get 3-5 years, ****ing wake up
     
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  6. Technically, a single yellow card is 20% of a one game ban (based on the early season of five bookings for a suspendion). Thats means Suarez's punishment it more like 50 times worse. Base it on the later season rule of ten bookings for a one game suspension and Suarez's punishment is 100 times worse <ok>

    PS...how come no one kicked up this much fuss about Defoe only getting a yellow card if it is such a disgraceful offence that some think a six month plus ban would have been appropriate? <doh>
     
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  7. Style

    Style 'where is the love'

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    That's quite simple Gerrez, he consistently does all the things you hate to see a player do. The attention he gets is entirely his own fault, nothing to do with how good he is or who he plays for.
     
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  8. The previous occurance is irrelevant, the FA"s own rules stop them from taking it into account because it happened in a different country under a different authority.
     
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  9. Exactly! Its not the act, its the individual.
     
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  10. astro

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    The FA were also perfectly free (regardless of referee action) to apply the same "exceptional situation" reasoning they used aaginst Suarez. They claim Suarez didn't apprciated the seriousness of the incident, but Defoe just said he was "mischievous" and Jol called it "comical" and "part of the game".
     
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  11. astro

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    They freely claimed that no other incidents were taken into account. The punishment is entirely based on this one incident so any arguments based on repeat or multiple offences are irrelevant anyway.
     
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  12. Englandfor2014WC

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    They got it wrong about Defoe. That was in the past. What do you suggest? Give Defoe a ten game ban now?

    If ten years ago a guy got off with murder, does that mean if a guy murders now he should get off too?
     
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  13. Style

    Style 'where is the love'

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    Yeah and rightly so.
     
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  14. Maybe the FA saying they got it wrong would help?
     
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  15. Englandfor2014WC

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    Agreed
     
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  16. If you say so...
     
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  17. Style

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    I do, I would expect to get less of punishment if it was my first offence compared to a repeat offender. Every situation is different.
     
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    No, but if ten years ago a guy was filmed murdering someone in front of thousands of witnesses, no one would say he had immunity now. You are also extremely ignorant and possibly a WUM for suggesting anyone thinks Suarez should "get off too" since we are discussing the difference between a reasonble ban and a harsh one, and the difference between an FA that acts proportionally and consistently or not.
     
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  19. Englandfor2014WC

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    Suarez has got bigger teeth than defoe so that should be taken into account
     
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  20. This as already been posted above...

    However, if previous offences are to be taken into account for Suarez, why not for other players too?
     
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