Yep, as BHW has brought us back on topic... So far El Nenny is having a shocker. Keeps getting run round in midfield and has been caught on the ball twice.
Rob, why do you not just say the footballs awful but I'm happy with the points tally. As far as I'm concerned (which I understand was not the centre of the piece) if he keeps us up he can still an inept manager, you don't have to satisfy one criteria for him not to be judged as so. "There are shades of grey", Rob I am the one advocating this, you are the one separating the two aspects, I'm saying they are linked, one effects the other. Dreadful football equates to low points (certainly for the most part). You are the one trying to separate the two and creating a black and white scenario in that there is no relationship between the two, of course there is. That is what you are failing to understand. They are not "fundamentally different concepts" because one effects the other.
That is exactly what I've been saying!? No, you're not in shades of grey. You're saying that he is either a good manager, or a bad one. I am saying it is far more nuanced than this. Fair enough if you're not happy with the points tally, my opinion is that with the squad we've got he has done well with, so yes, I'm not happy with the style, but I accept that he has done well for the points tally. If he has done well with the points, by definition he cannot be inept. It is not possible. So by saying he is inept you are saying you are not happy with the points tally. Is this correct? If so, fair enough, in which case this is a difference of opinion. Actually they are two fundamentally different concepts. One is about the statistics - the rules of the game. I.e. getting it in the back of the net more often than the opponent. The other is about the viewer experience, and has nothing to do with the points. The only thing that links them is that some styles can be good at both, some styles are good at one or the other. As demonstrated by the managers I have highlighted, who are each better at one or the other on a varying scale. Shades of grey... I could, for example, bring in other factors, like the manager's rapport with fans - Benitez is a prime study. But as you're struggling with two measures of a manager, I suspect bringing in a third will just make it worse. I have given examples above, I have thoroughly explained this and once again you are just negating without explaining. So, it is this point that I give up, because you have merely repeated, but not engaged with the examples I have given. Let's return to the point of the thread. El Nenny giving away more fouls and generally not looking great... Let's hope McNally wasn't dissimulating!
He's come out second half looking much better. Takes their corners as well. I would prefer the Salah bloke though!
And he's been substituted. I actually think he looked quite tidy at times. Given he's been capped for his country more times than his age in years, if he's cheap he might be a really good gamble for the future.
Stokar would be the one i would go for, to play in the whole behind RvW. As for El-Neny, didnt look too bad but he didnt look much better than a Johnson/Tettey to be honest. We need someone who can dictate play from the back and he doesnt look composed enough to find those type of passes. We need to be spending big and taking no risks on this position in the summer...
I agree he didn't look any better overall, but once he calmed down a bit I thought his passing was crisp. Given he's just 20 and younger than Butterfield he has plenty of room to improve. so I think, as long as he's cheap, he could be a good punt because low cost = low risk!
Interestingly, even though McNally denied this, his Wikipedia still (last night) says we have agreed a pre-contract deal with him...
dipped in and out of the game so have not got a definitive opinion, but from what i saw, Stokar is a much better player, and Salah pretty decent too. both seemed better than El-Nenay, who appeared distinctly average.
