Various sports papers are saying,and, what MJ has reiterated,there will be many comings and goings in the summer window,those mentioned are Kacaniklic.Trotta. Frei, Briggs, Stockdale, Richardson Petric. Stockdale 2/3mil, Kac! 1mil,, Trotta & Briggs 500k, Frei 1mil + add ons, frees for the other 2. Would you other postees, agree, disagree, or add or subtract from list.
I'd say the definites are Stockdale and Petric. Petric has said previously that he wasn't happy on the bench and his contract is up at the end of the season, he's had too many injury problems too so I'd be surprised if he stayed (despite Jol saying he wants to keep him). The rest you mentioned all have merit, but I would think Big Mart will fight to keep Kaca and Frei, and players like Briggs and Richardson depend on who wants them. I would think Briggs will go and Richardson will stay, as we only bought Richardson last summer and he's looking like a good utility player. I think Chrissy Baird might go, he's not featured much for us since the turn of the year and we know there are clubs that want him. Schwarzer is another one, I guess it depends who we sign on the goalkeeper front as to whether he'll stay. Then there's Diarra, who will probably go and Kara may well go too. Also, Aaron Hughes? If we sign this other geezer then surely the writing is on the wall for him, especially with Senderos ahead of him at the moment. In any case, with regards to outgoings things don't seem as bleak as they did last season. We could lose any of the above and still be in a better position than we were when we lost Demps and Dembele.
My guess To leave this summer GK - Stockdale may be Schwarzer Etheridge Defense Riise Baird Briggs Hughes Manolev may be Riether Midfield Kasami Diarra Davies Karagounis (Urby Frimpong) may be Frie Strikers Petric Rodallega may be Trotta I see Jol bringing in some U-21 U-18.
I agree with Bidley's analysis. I'd be surprised if Davies is kept on, but sad to see him go. If Trotta isn't out of contract, maybe (just maybe) he'll be given a last chance to stake a claim to a place in the first team squad. He's scoring goals for Brentford, so why not see how he does in the close season, particularly if Petric might be going? I'd like to see us sign another striker though, regardless of who stays or goes.
A big clearout and rebuilding seems to be in the cards, but that's what I said last year, too. I suspect Jol would like to inject youth and pace into our side, but it's hard to do that on a mass basis without spending a fortune and destroying the continuity of the team. In any event, we still haven't solved our age problem. Hughes, Hangeland, Duff, Riise et. al. - how much longer can we saddled up these old beloved war horses and expect results? I read the BBC story (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22170429) today. In it, Jol seems to suggest he'd opt for letting the loans and contracts of most of our midfielders expire with the exception of Sidwell. He also suggested he'd be in for talks with Petric and Rieter (I certainly hope so, in Rieter's case), but would be looking for a new primary goalkeeper despite Schwartzer's "hero" status on the team and amongst the fans. While I appreciate Diarra, Baird and Karagounis (of the three, I'd keep Karagounis), finding young, quality replacements for the midfield has to be a priority with Jol, along with the replacements of Hughes and dreadful Senderos. The announcement that we're in for a young CB from Athletico Madrid shows what Jol's thinking.
Don't think you're too far off the mark Bidley. However Frei may be the one that surprises us all and leave - he's still being eyed by a number of Turkish teams. And Aaron Hughes will stay. He's establshing himself within the Fulham Foundation set-up so I reckon he'll see out his final contract year as a background player and then move there in a permanent position.
Don't think you're too far off the mark Bidley. However Frei may be the one that surprises us all and leave - he's still being eyed by a number of Turkish teams. And Aaron Hughes will stay. He's establshing himself within the Fulham Foundation set-up so I reckon he'll see out his final contract year as a background player and then move there in a permanent position.
You can be sure that Jol won't be letting more than 5 players leave the club, after all, he does have to replace them and quality cheap/free players these days are not too easy to find, despite the latest transfer for Amore. I can see Baird, Hughes, Diarra, Davies and Stockdale as his 5 leaving. I think Petric will get another year, no way will Frei/Kaca be sold as Jol rates both highly. Duff and Senderos have signed for another year and I can see Mark getting another season as number one, but that will of course depend on if we sign someone to challenge him. Riether will sign permanently. In regards to the youth players on the verge of the first team (Briggs, Trotta) I can see both leaving to be honest. They are at an age now where they should be making the bench for us, not plying their trade on loan in the lower leagues.
Bandit Totally agree with your comments re: Briggs, Trotta, i still think Frei will go, as Mj could be looking at the add ons if he makes it.
As a Hull City fan I wish Stockdale all the best but word has it that your Manager has put a 4 million tag on him. The bloke has shown that he has no distribution ability whatsoever and consequently cannot turn defence into attack and he is hopeless at cross balls. Very shaky last line of defence for mine and to think we could have got Mannone at the beginning of the season from Arsenal but baulked at the 1 million price tag. Living in Australia for the past 46 years I wouldn't mind Mark Schwartzer for a 'Swan-Song' season if we return to the EPL. Stockdale is worth nowhere near 4 million.
If anyone offers us £5m + for Frei or Kaca I would snap their hand off. Neither are good enough for the PL - Frei is too light weight and one footed, Kaca is completely headless in the final third- at best he is a poor mans Nani. I know there is excitement because they are academy lads but I think we have some better prospects coming through. They are both internationals now (so is Kenny Miller ) so we should be able to get a decent amount on the basis of 'potential' which I've only seen about 5% of the time they are on the pitch. There is an argument for keeping them and trying to work on their weaknesses but I can't see Frei suddenly developing a left foot and Kaca has shown no signs of progress in the final third whatsover. It's like he closes his eyes. If it's just pace you want we would be better with Usain Bolt.
Absolutely don't agree with this silky, and I don't see Jol agreeing either. His main target this summer as he has stated is to ship out the old and bring in some fresh, young talent. I hardly see him offloading two youngsters he has spent time developing. We are short on the wings anyway, and with Urby going back and Manolev's deal up in the air, definitely one of, if not both of Frei and Kaca will stay, which I would not be against happening. This has been Kaca's first real season with us and he has proven himself to be a capable PL footballer, of course he is by no means the finished article but neither was Dembele in his first season here. Trust in Jol to improve them over the summer.
It's probably because he's English. He has proven himself to be more than capable of performing in the PL as we saw earlier this season when Schwarzer was injured (was it last season?). I'm not saying £4m is a bargain, but Butland went for more and has yet to play a game at the highest level. I understand Stockdale has a 50% clean sheet ratio with you, which in a league as free scoring as the Championship is rather impressive.
I can certainly see Frei leaving. He would be a marquee signing for one of the Turkish teams, so we could get very good value for him. I'd love to see him succeed here, but if we got a good bid for him...
Would not be a surprise if I were to be proved wrong, but I'm going to say the value of Kaca and Frei will have significantly decreased by the end of next season (if we keep them). They have both had moments, Kaca's shot against the bar in the Norwich game comes to mind I would put Kaca above Frei but would still be happy to get rid, providing it is a good amount- I'm not saying to offload them as such, just to accept an offer of £5m+ if it comes in. Fresh talent is always coming through- Jol has a good scouting network- these are decent players, yes, but there is better out there. The PL platform has boosted value so I think it makes economic sense to sell at the top and bring in others from elsewhere- I really can't see either establishing themselves in the team next season. They will certainly get a chance, if they stay, to play more consistently which I think will make their weaknesses more obvious to interested teams and bring their value down. Again, though, I'm fully prepared to be wrong! I would never have expected RVP to reach this level, Ljungberg was another I completely wrote off.
Strange views on Frei and certainly Kaca there silky, the latter was a revelation early in the season.
I would be glad to see Frei & Kaca go for the sums mentioned,and Stockdale to. Like silkship i cannot see these to improving next season, and as for Stocky the Hull supporter ,reiterated what i was saying last year.
A fair amount of the people around me at CC don't agree either so I may be in the wrong but I just dont see it. Football Manager 2013 rates them highly too so I guess all evidence is against me! But having watched them at CC I just dont have faith either will turn into the players people are anticipating now, which is why I would sell. Agree that Jol wont want to though. They have impressed because of pace, in my opinion- not because of skill. Kaca took his goal against WBA well but the number of times he wastes it is far in excess. I think with youngsters, particularly home grown ones, there is a tendency to overlook shortcomings because we want to see them come through- it makes for a great story. Also think it's easier to add pace to a players game (relative to his original speed) than it is to improve technique and decision making.
Agree with you on their respective weak areas Silky. However taking up a point you've made before - why isn't Frei played on the right? That said if a decent bid came in I'd jump at it - like you I can't see him being a PL regular. Kaca I'd have a bit more patience with, since when to release the ball is a skill that can be developed more readily (Dejagah is a prime example where we've seen whacks of improvement).
