.... and now Sparky you follow him over the top ... "apoplectic bile" please ... (what even is that ?) You have done well and mos of our fans appreciate that and wish you and the manager we trained for you well.
What implicit motives??? It simply said to enjoy the excitement of being promoted for the first time in your history, something Watford have done before so we understand your joy. However, we have also been in the situation where we have gone up and come right back down again. So I simply said to enjoy the excitement while it lasts. And I think its the general consensus that whoever goes up will return next year. If you chose to imply things thats your own choice, but dont start on me if you add 2+2 and get 5.
To be fair I think some people were riled by the opening post and have responded in kind. If someone makes a thread on our board designed to win us up then people will bite. Cardiff have had a great season and should go up. ideally i would have like you to wait until the last day to secure it as that might have done us a favour but it's not going to happen as you and hull will both be up before the last day in my opinion. Enjoy
But you didn't just say to "enjoy the moment" did you? You said when we're in the bottom 3 at Christmas and sack Malky - why did you need to post that? I'm prepared to leave it there baby - but if you want to carry on, so will I. I'm going offline right now, but I'll be back (just like Arnie )
oh dear. Why is any of this necessary. Cardiff will go up. Some will be less happy about it than others, but they won more games, so they're going up. Simples. We probably won't. That doesn't need agression, after all, Cardiff know what it's like to fail at going up, and pride comes before a fall...so let's all just congratulate Cardiff on a season they won't forget, and move onwards and upwards with our wonderful Club with our wonderful Owners and our wonderful players
Seems I upset you. I have no gripes at all with Cardiff but this thread started with referring to us as Watfraud and the individual who wrote that did so to provoke. I am a realist and believe we blew our chances of promotion when we conceded a goal in injury time to Burnley. I similarly can't see you surviving unless you invest heavily in the summer. Grinding out results which you have done well this season is not enough in the prem and as your owner has single-mindedly rebranded your club on a personal whim and stated he doesn't mind upsetting some fans by doing so if Malky doesn't get the team performing I can see another Southampton or Reading scenario. Time will tell on what the future holds as with our loanee policy which seems to have upset and annoyed quite a big proportion of the football fraternity.
Guy - if you look earlier in the thread, I agreed that the provactive name spin in the OP was unecessary and said so. Somebody also posted the predictable come-back taunt about our debt. I also answered that in a reasonably manner and went on to say that I hoped both you and Hull come up with us so that we could continue chatting to each other in the same division, viz. The Prem. The Red Dragons jibe is so passe, I should have ignored it, but then again, that just me I guess. You haven't upset me with your earlier post pal - it would take a lot more than that to get me going. What I will always do though is respond in an appropriate manner to anything I see on the forums that disses my club. Hope you would do the same for your club. No need for anyone to get cyber-rage on here over it, but putting your case across is fair. I said on another of your threads that if it has to be through the playoffs, I'll be routing for you as opposed to Hollowhead, Davies and Freedman, though I've a feeling that Mr. Poyet could spoil everyone's party. Best of luck in the next four games (and more than probably, the 3 after that).
OldSparkey is not our worst opposing fan - now of course if it had been YoungSparkey it would be so different Just as an aside I noticed Poshminx referred to you elsewhere as Bluebirds/Red Dragons and not a Cardiff fan took offence - now I wonder if that is just coincidence - my betting is that our little Hornette could get away with it too
I agree with H's comment. Off topic, but a question for Cardiff fans re the rebranding: do you think it would've happened if Cardiff Blues had stayed? They weren't happy with the name of the stadium, so it wouldn't exactly have gone down well a badge bearing a dragon on the stadium when that is the badge of the Scarlets (although it is shown differently).
As an ongoing fund raising source, the Cardiff Blues were offered a 20 year lease to play a maximum of 16 games a year at the CCS - any more and they had to pay to play. They barely got crowds of 3,000 for their regular games and in a 27,000 seater stadium, it was like a voyage on the Marie Celeste. Cardiff Athletic club who own the old Cardiff Arms Park (NOT the Millenium Stadium next door) also own the Cardiff Blues. and it made economic sense for them to return to their old ground with less than half the capacity of the CCS. Nothing to do with the much talked about "re-branding" which is a just euphemism for a wum. They were released from the obligations of their lease by mutual consent which suited us (especially our new owners who didn't need their rent) just fine - no egg chasing on our pitch has made such a difference to the playing surface. We're all gald they've buggered off to be honest - 99% of us didn't want them involved in the first place.
I'm a rugby fan as well as a footie fan but I am glad to see the back of Saracens if it means getting a better pitch.
Rather than you think me a WUM, I will explain the logic by which I refer to a rebranding. The club (or the company that owns it) is a business as it has to file accounts, register with Companies House etc. When a business changes the logo which it is well known for, that is a rebranding which is why I have used that word to refer to the changes that took place to the kit and badge prior to this season.
Sparkey - not trying to wind you up or anything but don't your own fans have an issue with this - from all reports I saw at the start of the season there was uproar at the change to red from blue - and the suggestion of a name change to Dragons from Bluebirds was a suggestion from your owners wasn't it? If anyone tried to get us to change our colours to those of L*t*n or called us Hatters we would riot. For me I would hate to change red to blue or blue to red - they are in footballing terms opposites. But having gone to red then bluebirds seems out of date and given the Welsh association with dragons that does not sound such a bad idea - Scarlets etc apart. Fifty years ago when we adopted black and gold we became the hornets - changed from Brewers (our old association was with Benskins brewery)
For a start, I wasn't suggesting for a moment that the use of the "re-branding" term was being used as a wum by Jsybarry - it is something that has evolved along with "selling our soul" and similar emotive expressions in the main from our lovely neighbours 40 miles down the road. It has been used in that context, but I was not suggesting it in this case at this time. Now that I've cleared that up, I'll answer Leo. You are certainly right about the initial uproar the change of colour evoked amongst fans. There is a far more vociferous element of supporters (although a very small minority) who will not let Hamman go and want his return. They will create a storm over everything the club tries to achieve through Vincent Tan if it is remotley supportable for rabble rousing. Fortunately, the vast (VAST!) majority can see through it all and only have the interests of the club and its' future at heart. Without VT, we did not have a future. Now we have and the change of colour and is a very small price to pay in the great scheme of things. I would add that an enforced change of name from Bluebirds to something like Red Dragons would meet with much wider opposition and could be very divisive if an attempt was made by VT and his associates to force it through - that could be catastrophic for the club.
I'm trying to work out how to make this point without coming across as a WUM. But if the colour change sticks, surely Bluebirds would go eventually? Once upon a time we were called the blues... I guess what I'm trying to ask is whether the issue is the possibility of VT forcing the change through (rather than letting it gradually fall out of usage), or whether there is a widespread opinion that you could play in red shirts for 20 years and still always be the bluebirds?
The Bluebirds thing is something that will never go away in my humble opin ion. One of the major problems with the word is that it apparently means something derogatory in some far eastern countries. The colour change was instigated as blue is seen to be a colour of sadness over there, whereas red is regarded as the colour of happiness and prosperity. You pays your money and takes your choice - Vincent Tan has obviously done both.
Not dissimilar then to us - we were heading for Administration and the Pozzos were our only alternative - most of us were very worried at first - not least by the influx of players - never mind that they were loans - and what it would do to our Academy. But we had no alternative. As it happens so far we have mostly been won over (I say mostly as you may find some ancient devil out there who might not agree ) I tend to agree that in time you will lose the bluebirds unless it really has some association that is ongoing
Thank Christ he never bought Everton or Man City then! Congrats on your promotion - thoroughly deserved
