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Ruddy almost back

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  1. Goldeneye175

    Goldeneye175 Active Member

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    ncgandy Well-Known Member

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    5 months out , doesn't seem possible, does it?

    Only 5 games left, should he be rushed back, or not?
     
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  3. Hairy Mary Quite Canary

    Hairy Mary Quite Canary Well-Known Member

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    I think any potential rustiness is outweighed by the presence, confidence and command he gives to the back line. If he's ready get him back in.
     
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  4. Goldeneye175

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    It is no coincidence that our amazing unbeaten run ended around the time when Ruddy was ruled out...fact is that when he plays wins don't become draws, and draws don't become losses. That is the difference between JR and Bunn.
     
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    Much missed gives the fans confidence - how much is that worth this saturday
     
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  6. oldcanariesfan

    oldcanariesfan Well-Known Member

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    It will be a bit hard on Bunn who, after a nervous start, has been a very capable deputy and has done no wrong, but, having the big man back on Saturday would give the team and crowd a massive lift.

    There's no doubt we've missed his presence and the confidence he brings to the entire team - could be just the extra motivator (not that we should need it).
     
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  7. yarco canary

    yarco canary Well-Known Member

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    No point in rushing him back.

    Bunn has done really well,and could IMO be pushing for POS
    with "the beast",Bassong and Snodds
     
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    no point rushing him back, Bunn has done very well.
    i would however have him on the bench on Saturday, assuming he is fit enough for that - that alone should give the crowd a buzz, also for him to be around the first team squad again should boost the players as well.
     
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  9. Home on the range canary

    Home on the range canary Well-Known Member

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    Apart from the fact that we beat Swansea and Sunderland and drew with saints when Bunn was in goal for the last 3 games of the 10 match run.
     
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  10. Canary Rob

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    Yes, but I think Goldeneye's point was that there are a few games where we would have done better. I think we may well have beaten Saints with Ruddy in goal and I'm 95% certain we would have beaten Swansea more comfortably - let's not forget we nearly threw away a 3-0 first half lead...

    I agree that Bunn has performed ably, I'm not sure he could be POS though - Snodders, Bassong, Johnson and Turner (recently) have all contributed as much, if not more. I just think Ruddy has more presence and is more inspiring for the defence and, physically, is taller so, while Bunn's reactions are incredible, I find Ruddy can cover more of the goal and we concede very, very few from range with him in goal.
     
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    Home on the range canary Well-Known Member

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    Yes we may have done better, we may not, who knows, and so the one win in 16 is attributable to Ruddy's absence. And all swans are white!
     
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  12. Canary Rob

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    There is no false logic. It is entirely logical that a better keeper is likely to have done better.

    We can go into detail - Bunn is smaller than Ruddy and some of the goals conceded have been in the corners from range - goals that Ruddy seems to concede less frequently. Additionally, with Ruddy in goal this season, I understand we have only "dropped" points in the games at home to QPR and away at Chelsea. Ultimately, these are speculative, inasmuch as you can't point to a specific occasion when Ruddy would necessarily have done better. This doesn't negate the insurmountable logic that, if you accept Ruddy is a better goalkeeper than Bunn, he would have done better. This is essentially what Goldeneye was saying, I don't think he was referencing specific games as such, because Bunn clearly isn't the sole reason for us losing/drawing nor is Ruddy the sole reason for us winning matches.

    Are you telling me you don't think Ruddy is better?
     
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    Home on the range canary Well-Known Member

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    I do think he's quite significantly better but the notion that if Ruddy had been playing draws would magically become wins and defeats would have been draws is false logic. he adds quality to the team but that does not directly translate into better results, i'll swtich my pedantry button off now
     
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    agree with this. with the glass half empty, what's to say that ruddy's good early season form would continue? we just don't know. On paper he's a better 'keeper of course but Bunn is a very able deputy. i can't wait to see who is behind the sticks on Saturday - especially interesting given Alex McCartney is on fine form for Reading.
     
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    Chris Hughton isn't really for making lots (or even a few changes) often like Paul Lambert was. I'm sure Hughton will persist with Bunn, arguing that he doesn't deserve to be dropped. I'm sure many people would like to see Whittaker in place of Rusty, but its the same situation as with Bunn and Ruddy.
     
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    Ok, quite. I don't think that's precisely what Goldeneye meant, even if it is what he wrote!

    I think we can all agree that there is a reason we play better under Ruddy

    I am incredibly excited to see him back - I think it may allow Hughton to trust having only one DM....
     
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  17. Bath-Canary

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    I know we still won the game but the example i would pick out was the swansea away game where Bunn whilst his shot stopping was good he didn't claim as many of the crosses and ruddy would have and the eventual knock downs lead to the goals. Im not saying ruddy would have save the shots but that his control of the area wouldn't have allowed the opportunity to get the shot.
    To be fair to Bunn he has improved dramatically and more recently I feel he's much more comfortable. If he did cost us points, which really would mare be because or other keeper is exceptional not because Bunn is bad, it was earlier on and isn't true recently.
    That said I feel ruddy returning will give us the confidence at the back to go on and get the goal to stay up.
     
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    I think Hughton made the right decision dropping Garrido for Whittaker, actually. Rusty at least gets forward at times and can be a goal threat.

    As for Bunn, I worry* you're right - and I see no point rushing Ruddy given that Bunn is adequate. Hopefully Hughton will see sense if Ruddy is actually back to full fitness though, and play our best team rather than worry about changes. I think it's too late for that and the line-up for Arsenal showed us that Hughton is prepared, on occasion, to make a tactical upheaval and it nearly paid off.


    *worry is a little strong...
     
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    I'd put him in the side, but CH is a wee bit cautious and might want him to demonstrate his fitness to the nth degree before risking him at the start of the game. On the bench is my guess.
     
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