This. It wasn't even that many bodies. There were only 3,000 people in the crush (out of a capacity of around 48,000 and a Liverpool allocation of around 22,000), but the police incompetence meant that they all ended up cramming into two pens built to hold around 1,700 people. The whole ticketless fans thing is largely a myth - there were still tickets on sale at the gate on the day. Some ticketless fans turned up, but there's no evidence any of them tried to force their way in. The problem came when the police tried to segregate the fans, which meant that they all had to enter through one set of turnstiles in one stand. The police didn't control the fans inside the stadium, so all the fans who entered went straight to the nearest pen, which was where the tragedy happened. If you look at pictures of the disaster you can see people being crushed to death in the pens behind the goal, whilst people are standing around with plenty of room in the adjacent pens in the corners. Had people been directed to the right pens (as usually happened back then) there would have been no problem.
Again conjecture. I think it is very likely there were ticketless people flooding in. As there were at most games back then. the difference is they were all allowed in as opposed to the odd few jumping turnstiles. As to dinner I have man flu so made a hot chilli las night...
****. I don't know why I keep forgetting that. He's about the only other ****er on either board who likes test cricket Sorry Rufflad. I won't forget again.
Sorry sweats, but you've just countered his conjecture with your own conjecture! The electronic monitoring system at the stadium showed that the stand was below capacity at the time of the disaster - only the central pens were overcrowded. There's no evidence to suggest ticketless people were flooding in - the stand could have comfortably held all the people who entered had they been directed to the right place. There probably were some ticketless people there trying to chance it, but given the stand as a whole was under capacity there's no evidence to indicate that they made any difference to the outcome.
That is genuinely funny. You won't have it from me, but you will from Swarbs. "Never the twain shall meet" good and proper. With most of us on either side, there should be an element of trust and belief. It's just so hard
What the **** are you on about you senile twat? get back on topic and discusss how thatcher was the saviour of what was a rotting nation.
Even if there were drunk and ticketless (in no way shape or form am I saying this is the case), it is up to the police to manage the situation to ensure peoples safety. This was completely jeapordised by opening that gate!
I wasnt suggesting it wasnt their fault dude. . though it was the norm back then to try and sneak in grounds without tickets. What i wasnt aware of was that there were empty pens where the people should have gone to
Fair enough pal, thought you was Without doubt it was the norm back then, as was drinking which is still part and parcel of attending a game.
