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OT - Margaret Thatcher dead

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Secret ranger, Apr 8, 2013.

  1. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    you are so right
    what possible reason could she have had for invading those islands
    all those poor peace loving argies
     
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  2. Stamford Brook R

    Stamford Brook R Well-Known Member

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    DT, the same could be said for Tony Blair for needlessly sending troops to the Gulf!
     
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  3. loomo

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    Spot on.
     
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  4. loomo

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    The recent failures in the banking system had nothing to do with Thatcherism. The original de-regulation created a transparent open free market...no more closed shops. A large part of the blame lies with FSA under the Labour party. I had a meeting with them 7 years ago when they explained that our industry (Financial Advisors ) had complied with what was being asked of it and they were happy that less monitering would be required. A direct quote from a question of what are their future plans? "we need to focus on the banks and building societies as they represent the biggest risk to us" NOTHING was done to the banks and when it all went pair shaped the FSA quietly scurried away saying nothing. So to blame Thatcher is beyond sensible reasoning. It was not all good but this bandwagon mentality is mindnumbing. If you wanted to better yourself you could and most at least tried. For those that could not be bothered they at least had an economy that could afford a welfare state.
     
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  6. Busy Being Headhunted

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    Thatcher did seem to lose her head towards the end



    or she should of done

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  7. loomo

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    really?
     
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  8. Uber_Hoop

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    Good points. Whilst the bankers (which appears to be a general term for anybody working in financial services) and their regulators played their part, you have to look further than these parties and Thatcherism in the Blame Game. Why is it that other people will not accept their due proportion of blame too?

    For the best part of 25 years we've all been patting ourselves on the back over how much equity is sitting in our property, against which many have borrowed money they can ill afford to repay for new cars, holidays and all manner of other things. A bubble was created. Alongside this New Labour squandered your pensions, your gold reserves and your taxes for a bloated welfare state and a bloated state employment enterprise. Not only did it squander your money, it squandered money that it borrowed too. And like the homeowner with the big mortgage that borrowed for the new Mercedes he now can't pay for, the Government is in a similar position.

    The cuts are a fallacy as the only real saving that can be made is in people and they daren't cut too deeply as it pushes the problem from government payroll to welfare benefit. Only the private sector can generate the wealth to break the vicious circle, so we simply have to have the rewards to drive the entrepreneurs and brilliant minds to lead us out of this ****fest.
     
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  9. DaveThomas

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    Apart from the fact that the ****er is still alive and still walks free and is rich. I would seriously love it if he was to be killed ... sorry before you judge me as a nutter ... I value a life for a life and this ****er has a lot of blood on his hands and has got away with it
     
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  10. Busy Being Headhunted

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    I hate him more for sending us into Europe when about 90% of the population didn't want too
     
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  11. DaveThomas

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    I can proudly say I don't owe anyone any money. I am thinking about buying in France as i have mentioned as great thing there is that the French no longer trust the banks ... for the type of property I am looking at a new mortgage is now available direct from the vendor ( many old houses are for sale as the result of a death ... different culture) ... they don't trust the banks with their money and so find a regular payment being made on a property they need to sell far more attractive. The idea is catching on ... its costs nothing to sell a house in France ... one solicitor ( notary) looks over the deal ... agents fees are inside the purchase price ... no parasites and no bollocks. I have had three properties so far in France a couple cash and one mortgage ... seemless effortless and if i have had a credit card in france ( just for example; petrol i pay £75 a year for it) ... you can't spend what you haven't got.

    Yet i still see people talk here in the UK about their equity, investments or pensions etc ... sorry but i have to laugh. Buy a house abroad now and enjoy your pension now and enjoy your life ... I cannot give anyone better advice... My boys are all looking to buy a house in France now .. £40,000 tops ... Have big arguments at times with other half as it was pure luck that her houses are worth so much in London ... sheer luck from greed in the South ... many of my new family have sold in Wimbledon, Peckham and moved to Brighton now ... I told them that is pure luck and sorry it's nothing to feel smart about IMO. It's ****ing wrong in fact. I have had loads of people tap me up for advice re buying in France as they think it'scould be a fast buck ... i tell them forget ... buy to live a life in France and enjoy each breath that you have been given hence why the French have slapped a 35% CGT on second homes.

    Before I get a load of **** ... it's not paradise and I work in the UK because I have to because the money is still in London , yes I am a hypocrite in that aspect but I would never buy again in the UK ever ...I thought the greed and culture was wrong then and I am pleased its gone tits up ... How can spend money that doesn't exist ... they sold you a fad of a dream and the only disappointing thing is if it recovers after all the ****s who engineered this have made their millions from it ... the average man or woman will lap it all up again and off into debt everyone will trundle again ... if you have too much money ... more than you need then give some of it away ... I did and it feels good and nature to do so.

    This tax on the poor at the moment is robbery pure and simple ... the rich fat cats need us to survive ... don't feed them!
     
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  12. Flyer

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    The RIP Thatcher thread is the most active on the Flyers board as well.
     
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  13. Azmi

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    My upstairs neighbour, a Falklands Veteran, was a sniper in the Parachute Regiment and a professional soldier. His victims were conscripts who under the Argentinian dictatorship had no way out of military service if not jail at best or torture and being thrown out of a helicopter at worst. He killed conscripted kids, can't get my head round that. My dad was a professional soldier too, he cried for his victims on his deathbed. That wasn't something I wish anyone to see or go through.

    Not sure if sb73 was in Italy like me at the time ('82) but if so he was he can confirm that because of the massive Italian immigration in Argentina the war was reported from the Argentinian perspective. We should have SOLD the Falklands to Argentina, the deal was there on the table before the fascist junta f***** it all up by invading.

    As for Thatcher I don't care anymore, it's Blair who should be up before the ICC.
     
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  14. Star of David Bardsley

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    Why should we ever have sold the Falklands? They speak English, they have a British way of life and most importantly want to remain under our rule. Might as well sell Jersey to France if we're to do that.
     
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  15. sb_73

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    Falklands was before my time in Italy, and frankly was never near the top of my list of ice breakers when I was there, but easy to imagine where sympathies would lie. My little brother has lived in Madrid for upwards of 20 years, still similar there, and they've got Gibraltar still sat there as well. What a dump that place is.
    I was in Hong Kong when Thatcher cocked up the negotiations with China to such an extent that the 5.5 million people who couldn't give a toss about Britain, but many of whom had risked death to get out of China, found themselves being handed back to a country that executes more people than the rest of the world put together. No tub thumping when we were up against a serious opponent of course. And, to be fair, things have turned out better than expected for Hong Kong.though the Chinese never wanted it back in the first place.....
     
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  16. KooPeeArr

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    Oh the temptation to do an anti-capitalist rant.... must... resist. :mad:
     
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  17. PGFWhite

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    Go for it <laugh>
     
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  18. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    As communism has proved to be such a success (not!) go for it mate.

    Look...........pretty much everyone to the left of politics will always hate Thatcher. Almost all to the right will always admire her.
    I don't perch on any particular political branch, but on the whole, I will always respect her strength as a leader and don't forget, she never lost an election....winning 3 on the run. If she were really that bad, why didn't the country vote her out? Could it be that everyone remembered the pathetic state we were in before she came to power?
    The left hate the fact that she defeated the then all powerful unions who were running the country into the ground. Everyone forgets that idiot Scargill! Maybe some of those mining communities should think about just how much he was earning while he marched them to oblivion? (Typical communist!!).
     
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  20. Staines R's

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    She was a bit like marmite, old maggie, you either loved her or hated her. Trust me, a few on the far right hated her as much as the left due to the hijacking of NF policies in the 80's that basically killed their political aspirations at the time.
    One thing I do struggle with, is seeing the street parties to celebrate the death of an old woman, by many who were too young to know anything about what happened during her time, but instead think its hip and trendy to be a 'Thatcher hater'. The same c**** will be quite happy singing 'Nazis out' and waving their placards about, a nice safe distance from the next EDL march but melt away at the first sight of confrontation.

    Can't see there being much support for a street party when Nelson Mandela dies ??.

    Personally I think Billy Bragg got it spot on......'Dont celebrate....ORGANISE'
     
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