I posted some comments on a different thread but now think it deserves its own thread. Every time i come on here these days it seems like there is a war between many differrent members going on. I can see that all these people love Norwich but have completely different outlook on things. Some are very optimistic about everything Norwich city and his blind faith and drive that make them back Norwich to the hilt. (which as a glass half full guy myself has to be applauded) Some seem to be very pragmatic which makes them more cautious in there beliefs about Norwich (so come across as glass half empty kind of people nothing wrong with this either) Both have thier positives and both have thair negitives but it is this that makes us all different, what i dont understand and never will is the need to argue and belittle each other over each others opinions? I have been keeping my 11 year old son off the web site for the past few month because of this, I am hoping that i can intrigate him in at some point and the numerous fellow canary follower he will bring when i believe it is suitable for them to read and part take. But at present it is not. I am also losing faith and the desire to actually come on here at the moment because of the play ground mentality that seems to be what most of the treads turn in to. OTBC
this is turning into Pink'un Mk 2 site. i agree with the OP, nearly all topics are being ruined by petty bickering and outright bad manners causing the thread to degenerate into nothing to do with Norwich City and their well being, which in turn will drive a lot of us away from this site.
You're quite right, zeller. It's becoming hard work and rapidly losing it's allure as a fun place to post/read/discuss. We all know why, however. It's simply because from a relatively strong position around xmas, we're now embroiled in a relegation battle - albeit not as deeply as some, but we are in it. Some think "At this rate we're doomed..." while others philosophy is "If we all stay strong and pull together in the same direction..." It's a nervous, worrying and unfortunate time and everyone has their own way of dealing with it - hence the collision of viewpoints which have recently started to lead to insults and name calling and ignore buttons. There is an answer. Get this frickin' season over with ASAP with us on the right side of that dotted line and I can guarantee harmony will be restored - to Dave, Maestro and DH's relief!
Cromer's nailed it... While our tenure in the EPL remains in doubt, we are all fraught with nerves and as such are at odds with each other, sometimes over the stoooopidest things. There's no need for it all really as we all care, all have our own opinions and views and ultimately only want the best for our beloved club. Unfortunately, until we are "safe" opinions will be polarised and often divided - let's hope we don't kill off too many of our posting brothers with all this "friendly fire".
Sadly this is spot on Zeller and I am feeling just the same. What starts as an interesting debate just degenerates and it is pretty pathetic really. Shame, but fundamentally I think the root lies in the frustraions of the team's preformance. Some of our colleague's expectations are way in excess of reality as we can never truly compete with the mega rich. A one-off win is always possible but over a season we have to be more realistic and to a degree whether we play one up, two up or go gung ho does not really matter, we will probably always be looking over our shoulder. Currently we are not badly placed but to hear some of the vitriole on the board you would think that CH had just got us relegated to League 1.
I have to agree with this as well, quite a number of threads are getting taken over by insults and abuse. added in with a few townies who have seen this, and have joined in to stir the pot further which hasn't helped. the positive feeling from the van wolfswinkel signing didn't last long.
For fear of contradicting cromer canary, it has very little to do with the clubs position and much more to do with how people respond to posts, ; I've increased my use of the ignore button and it seems to help filter out posts that I find unpalatable.
I don't think the op was targeting anyone in particular, he was just making a very astute observation. Every thread follows the following format; 1) Op makes a football related point. 2) someone expresses optimism 3) someone criticises defensive tactics 4) the thread becomes a defender vs attack on Hughton's. I found it quite entertaining for about 5 threads, but it's so predictable it is getting a little boring
I think both Zellery and Longsight are right and its a combination of the two. The recent slide down the table coupled with what will now be a very nervy finish to the season has put everyone on edge and as a result people are posting without properly thinking through what they're saying. Normally some of the criticism posted would be put down to post match frustration and the majority would be ignored or glossed over. As well as this, some posters do seem to be taking generalised comments a bit too personally, whilst some are turning their comments into thinly veiled personal attacks. The sooner the season ends and we get into the fun and frolics of the pre-season transfer speculation game the better.
Agree with OP - this was always a season of transition and nobody is going to lose their life ifwe lose PL status. The use of invective by some towards other die hard fans isn't far off abuse and I as a result have visited far less than usual. Some should look up the rules of debate and consider what they post as a permanent record of their feelings. If your emotions are running high you'd think twice before yelling face to face - think thrice before hitting reply on a forum. Respect/OTBC let's remember why we're here one and all.
Personally, I think a good flare up every now and again is good for the soul and good for these boards. I don't like direct name calling but I do think berating an opinion you disagree with strongly is vitally important to keep the interest levels up. You look at all the threads where discussion gets heated, they are far and away the most viewed because they are interesting, interesting things get said as people become passionate and willing to state a true opinion without thinking of consequence. There are so many threads that don't have this element to look at and if we stay up things it will die down. If we don't however the place will explode. That reminds me, can you all help me clear up Beef, there are bits of him all over the place.
It's inevitable that views will clash from time to time, and cause people to react in differing ways, some debate, some are concilatory, some positive, some negative! Whatever your view it doesn't qualify you to be obnoxious, down right rude, and resort to name calling. We all have a vested interest in the club and it's future, but at the moment the future is a bit uncertain, maybe it's causing the discord, but that has been there for ever, even last year when we where flying high, I guess it will always be the same as no two people are the same, and see things in different ways. As an example of this, a few years ago the company I worked for was having problems with the workforce and their interpretation of drawings. We randomly selected about a dozen people gave them a piece of paper each and asked them to draw a box, simple enough task you would think, hell no. We got square boxes, rectangular boxes, boxes with lids open and partly closed, round boxes, stacked boxes......the point is just about everyone of them interpreteted the very simple request differently, everyone had a different view, and so it is with us, some like Hughton, some want him out, some have turned on Grant Holt others defend him to the hilt, just go back to when Morison was here that caused so many rows and fights, we all saw it differently. I may be as guilty as anyone, but I have tried to refrain from the name calling and general abuse, I have also PM'd certain individuals if it's deemed I have upset them and apologised, my intention on here is not to deliberatly cause anger and anguish. Finally, to all of you, I am a firm beliver in democracy, and I will defend your right to air your views on this forum wether I agree with them or not!
Excuse me, but I just checked this thread twice and Beefy has not yet posted on it. So therefore, comments such as exacerbate, rather than help to quell the issue the thread was raised about in the first place This is a completely different thread, carrabuh, yet you insist on dragging it into the gutter where all the other recent ones end up. Pathetic.
I would also like to applaud the OP for raising an issue that has too often been shouted down. I enjoy arguments over tactics and squad selection, but too often it becomes a personal attack. Whoever mentioned the 'playground' attitude is often close to the mark. This isn't banter, or even intelligent debate, it is personal slanging of a very base sort. It happens on the Pink'Un site over and over again and now it is happening more and more here. It doesn't enhance the quality of the discussion, but becomes an attempt at intimidation which is driving people away from posting. It's one thing when a WUM comes into an argument from another team's perspective, but it's quite another when the WUM is a City supporter stirring things up for the sake of it. That isn't intelligent, it's childish and distracting from the central issue, which is City's survival in the PL. I think this amounts to being 'On the Ball' rather than off it - whatever the current danger. Let's focus on the issues, not each other.
I agree with the origional sentiment started by this thread as it is the main reason I rarely post now. If I am fully honest, for me there is one main person who creates the most strife if you look back through the threads (not on this thread at all as all those who are I have no problem with ) and it is not Carrabuh who's views I find particularly well structured and mostly agree with. I know it is appreciated and not an easy role, but I would venture to say that the moderators rarely seem to see this, which to me is obvious (happy to PM them if they want). Even this person is entitled to their views and does submit mostly decent points, however they do have a large tendency to upset others with disrespect and simply not chose to agree to disagree. I miss carra rud, weaver and many others from 606 where there was little of this (although may good people have come across). If you look at the Pareto principle, if you target resolving the biggest issue causing problems the majority go away. It is like where I work now where one or two people unfortunately spoil it for the others but even then they are entitled to views and opinions.
Fair enough, thanks. To clarify - I was apologising for swearing, which I accept is not necessary. I am strongly of the opinion that when you realise you are wrong, you should admit it. I have taken a fair amount of abuse, which I am content that I can deal with, but when it puts others off posting on the thread and the forum that's when I want it to stop. So while I agree with Carrabuh that we want opinions - I definitely want to see strong opinions - What I don't want to see, however, is people being dismissive of others views for no apparent reason (and there is no single poster guilty of it, there are many) and when it gets abusive and malicious it needs to stop. If you have strong opinions, please, please voice them. I think many people are interested. But be prepared to have to back them up. We are all (hopefully) wise enough to be mature about this.
I only joined last month. There is not a lot I can add to the opening post. Oh, maybe it's just easier to hide behind a name, act the 'big I am' and some people need to show respect. I can bite back. I chose not to.
