I just feel that what ever goes on up front we are always liable to **** up at the back these days. It seems to be a collective thing and an induvidual thing.
Here's another scotland stat "they eat more deep fried Mars bars in scotland than anywhere else in the world "
if anyone thinks that scotland had more skill than trundle then please let us know as everyone thinks trundle was way and far a better striker in all levels of what a striker can do. trunds had everything and that is the type of striker we need today....
Total Career Championship goals: Jason Scotland - 48 Lee Trundle - 13 Only rational conclusion possible given the figures? Scotland was far superior. Only conclusion possible to a gibbering halfwit? Trundle was "far a better striker in all levels"
Trudle, his level was L1 and no higher get over it If he was good enough he would have proved himself .
You're quite right of course. Trundle was a very good League One striker. It's a pity that some people can't accept that perfectly honourable status and feel the need to try and build up some sort of ludicrous myth around him being the Scouse Pele.
I still haven't seen any of our current squad strike the ball like Jase the Ace - Augustien is the closest.
Jason Scotland was a bloody good striker, i think if he had gone up with us he would have done alot better ,his ability to strike the ballearly was fantastic. never got the credit because too many people were still sucking on lee trudles titties
He had his chance with Bristol , can't say he took it with both hands, great on and off the field for us but that was then and this is now, How much would a player with that at PL level / ability be worth ?
Is that your answer Ill play trundle and you play scotland.....hypothetically ...who would score the most and who will blow scotland away with his skill alone.......yep im happy you got scotland...trundle was way way better than scotland in everything.....
Not everyone loved Scotland because they felt he was too lazy. Everyone loved Trundle because of his on and off field personality. Thet were both very different footballers - but they both did a great job for the Swans
Interesting statement from Ash along the lines of: You could probably go through all the goals (conceded recently through sloppiness) in the last four games and say the same. You've got to work hard AS A TEAM and not just look at Michel and the back four. It's ALL OF US who have to take responsibility, especially in terms of retaining possession of the ball when we are clearly wide open. This is a scarcely concealed dig at the midfield, including the wide players, saying that they should be doing more work with their defensive duties. It's what I've been going on about for some time. Teams find it too easy to play through us because we do not have anything to stop them in midfield. Trotting two yards behind the play after having made no more than a token challenge will not do at this level and Ash is now adding his voice to that of Vorm in demanding more from the midfield. To those of you who have accused me of banging on about this situation, I rest my case. M'lud.
No I cant......No i still cant....... see scotlands name in the swans hall of fame......and i had a good look but he is definately not there.......oops look i just saw trunds name.....well what a surprise... >>
Ivor you are correct . But we get back to the famous balance issue of our team. Too much attack means too many conceded the other end, it also means that protecting the back four gives us less chance of scoring, i agree and have agreed with you about the midfield sometimes, but the first thing in any football team is to do your own job! our defence have been sloppy in goals that had little to do with the midfield tracking back, yesterdays free kick for their 2nd is a classic example! not sure who conceeded it but i think it was ...Ash williams!! Its not always our midfield responsible Ivor, Ash seems to be deflecting here a little bit . Its very well saying that everybody needs to defend but when they scored the first, Ben was up past the half way line when THEY had the ball in the middle of the field!! as a result ben was out of the game,ash came over to fill the space,chico came over to fill Ash's space, Ki came back to cover Chico and Tiendalli came back to cover his man who was 4 yrds in front of him !! Tell me where the midfield got that one wrong ? you could argue that Ki should have got back faster but he didnt know chico was going out of position to cover Ash! and all the time this was going on micheal vorm was in no mans land watching the ball fly over his head and leaving an empty net for the Norwich guy to nod into. Thats the bak 4 and keeper ****ing up not the midfield or anybody else !! I agree with your sentiments though,just playing devils advocate a little bit on this, it isnt always the midfield thats to blame when we conceed a goal, you here Ash Williams always talking about "as a defender its all about clean sheets and we live to get them" well he doesnt mention the midfield when he talks up his clean sheets does he ??
Ivor ...Fans are saying the same thing.....Laudrup has changed things just that little bit too far and its messed up our game......he needs to step back a bit and let the players play the way they know best.....He can put his own stamp on the team by bringing in his own players but stop all this long ball passing that is easily dealt with and go back to our short triangle passing that has been our trade mark and got us to where we are.....Our midfield is all over the place and dyer and routledge blitzing up the wings leaving players for dust is not there anymore, all we see then is the fans blaming the players as useless when the fact is laudrup has spoilt a winning formula that the players were happy with.....
Dai, I don't blame Laudrup for this. I agree with Ash that it's the duty of the team as a whole to defend... as well as attack. An example of the latter yesterday was Chico in the opposing area laying the ball off for JdG to set up Michu. For me that was total football - centre half to midfielder to striker equals goal. I think that Ash was getting at the attitude of certain players who have been shirking their defensive duties, namely JdG, Ki and you can throw Pablo, Routledge and perhaps Dyer into the mix as well. You can't hold Laudrup responsible for players who are just not doing the basic work expected of them. Leon was out, Kemy is injured so he didn't have a lot of room for manoeuvre. He definitely knows what is required though, as Canas has now signed a pre-contract with us. But I also agree with Norway here. Ash's comments smack of pot and kettle etc. He was the one who conceded that soft free kick in such a dangerous area and then failed to defend it... along with the rest of the statues. And the first goal we conceded was entirely down to some totally inept defending by our full backs. We know that our midfielders can play football but they only seem happy when we are in possession and attacking. And when we lose the ball, they seem utterly useless in winning it back. We usually rely on Leon for this but he is not so much a ball winner as a ball thief and he can't do it all on his own. All Laudrup can do is brief his team on how he expects them to play. If they make mistakes it's not his fault. They are the ones playing, not him. All he can do is make a note of what is happening, who is performing and who is not. When he detects a weakness, or someone who is incapable of playing at the level he expects, he will act on it. He has done with Canas and there will be a few more coming in as well; and I have no doubt in his ability to keep improving us as a team.
