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FAC statement re tomorrow's demo

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  1. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    The Feds are upset that Timmy got one over on them today with a great big NOT GUILTY over a case up in Dundee.

    This is a hugely irresponsible stance by the police.

    http://www.celtictrust.net/?func=d_home_article&id=410

    FAC statement re Rally

    Published on Friday 5th April, 2013 by Celtic Trust

    Following the events in and around Gallowgate on 16th March 2013there was a meeting of FAC on Monday 18th March to plan and organise a response to the unprovoked and disproportionate Police action against Celtic fans on that day.

    It was decided to hold a static demonstration/Rally in George Square, during which speakers would highlight these events and the problems arising from the police use of the Offensive Behaviour at Football/Threatening Communications legislation. We were advised that citizens have the right of assembly in George Square which is deemed as a public park for this purpose. However, to foster good relations, a decision was made to apply to the City Council for permission to hold this event which was then publicised.

    There was further discussion around the fact that the majority of those attending the Rally would be making their way to Celtic Park for the match that afternoon. Mindful of the attacks on our fans by the police, which was one of the reasons for the Rally, we lodged an application with the City Council asking for permission to hold an organised march from the Square to Celtic Park, allowing fans to move to the ground in an orderly manner, free from police interference. This application was lodged on 21/3/13 and in it we acknowledged that we could not give the required 28 days’ notice but we were aware that this had been waived for previous events. We gave a number of reasons as to why we believed that an exception could be made. At no time did we publicise this application as we awaited the Council’s decision.

    On 27th March at very short notice we were asked to attend a meeting with Council officials and senior police officers to discuss our applications. At this meeting we were told that the Council would facilitate the rally in the Square but that they were still considering the application for the march from the Square to Celtic Park. Despite these reservations the logistics of such a mass movement were discussed and some agreement reached. We responded to every request including the requirement to provide 250 stewards with high viz vests. We made a number of MSPs and Councillors aware of the meeting and what had been discussed so that they could assist.

    On the same day officials from one of the member organisations of FAC had a meeting with other police officers, namely CC Corrigan, Supt Wayne Mawson, and ACC Bernard Higgins of Strathclyde Police who assured them that the police would be happy to agree to a public procession from George Square to Celtic Park. On Thursday at 4.30 we received a phonecall saying the Council was not convinced of the merits of our argument regarding the 28 day notice and therefore the procession could not take place. They asked us to come to a meeting on Tuesday 2nd April but we were unable to organise this in time.

    On Tuesday 2nd April at 4.30pm the Principal Officer from the City Council called again to say that though we would not be granted permission to march to Celtic Park, we would actually be ‘facilitated along the carriageway’ by the Police. He asked if FAC organisers would attend a meeting the next morning at 10am. Despite the short notice once again we agreed to do so.

    Besides Council and FAC personnel this meeting was also attended by Supt Brian McInulty and Chief Inspector Porte of the Police Service of Scotland. It quickly became apparent that the assurance given the previous evening by the Principal Officer had subsequently been withdrawn and that the police were not prepared to facilitate the movement of supporters from the Square to Celtic Park. We were handed a letter stating that we had not met the requirement to waive the 28 day notice. Specifically, the letter said ‘Having considered your procession notification and consulted with the Chief Constable, the Council is of the view that there are no exceptional circumstances in this case which would persuade it that a waiver of the minimum 28 day notification period is necessary.’

    We asked which Chief Constable this was, and were told it was Campbell Corrigan who had, by that time, retired. The Police then began to talk about using our stewards to facilitate dispersal in small numbers and we pointed out that our stewards would not be stewards once the Rally ended. FAC’s aim had been to organise the rally for which we had achieved agreement and we had been refused permission for a march to Celtic Park. On that basis, we pointed out that we had very responsibly made a sensible suggestion to ensure the safety of everyone and that since they had rejected this proposal it was really their responsibility. We questioned them about the change in the position between Tuesday night and Wednesday morning but we were not given a straight answer. We felt that we had nothing to contribute at this point and we left the meeting and asked them to contact us when they had come to an agreement on what they were going to do.

    Since Wednesday despite the great effort of MSPs and Councillors we have received the following information

    The Council officers are saying that they cannot change their position; but that they understood that the Police could still 'facilitate’ movement ‘along the carriageway'
    The police indicated on two separate occasions that as there had been an application and that it had been refused and this meant they would be ‘duty bound’ to intervene. The Council are now saying that they did not 'refuse' the application but that they were unable to 'progress' it because it didn't meet the criteria for the exemption from giving 28 days’ notice.
    ACC Bernard Higgins was then consulted to see if this interpretation made a difference and he came back and said no.
    The police are suggesting that they are not going to arrest anyone during the demo but they may speak to the organisers of the rally and anyone else they can identify the following week should an unlawful procession takes place.



    Given the depth of feeling which exists, following the events of 16th March, FAC have been careful not to do anything which could be seen to inflame the situation and hope to manage the situation on the day. However we understand that the Police Service of Scotland did issue a statement on this issue, which was posted on their website; was subsequently removed and has now reappeared.

    This statement is being issued in response to that very inflammatory move by the Police Service of Scotland.



    FAC’s Position

    FAC has organised and received permission for a static demonstration in George Square which will go ahead as planned and to which we hope many people will come and show their opposition to police aggression, the criminalisation of football fans and the Offensive Behaviour Act.

    We trust that, as with the previous FAC demonstration at George Square in October 2011, people will make their way to Celtic Park in a safe, orderly fashion. As can be seen from the above we had hoped to cooperate in this with the authorities but have been denied that opportunity by the combined decisions of Glasgow City Council and the Police Service of Scotland.

    We will continue to forward any information /advice to those attending the Rally as and when we receive it.
     
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  2. RebelBhoy

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    Jungle Side Boys show their support for the GB tonight.

    please log in to view this image
     
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  3. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    That cop is incompetent. She shouldn't be allowed next or near a football match. Utterly ridiculous that this **** should get anywhere near a court room. It isn't her first fail either.

    A SHERIFF branded football anti-bigotry laws “mince” — as he cleared a Celtic fan who sang an Irish republican anthem at a game.

    Hoops supporter Dion McLeish walked free after fuming Sheriff Richard Davidson said the legislation could have been “draf-ted by someone who has never been to a match”.

    He ruled there was “no evidence” Dion, 19, of Clydebank near Glasgow, incited trouble when he joined scores of Celts followers in Roll of Honour.

    The lawman added: “In this context there might be a problem with Flower of Scotland. The word ‘mince’ comes to mind.” He let rip after police witness Eleanor Murdoch, 47, admitted at Dundee Sheriff Court yesterday that no one knows how the law works.

    Dion was nicked during a game at Dundee in December — and charged under last year’s Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act.

    Sgt Murdoch, who was on duty at Dens Park, told his trial she believed the song, a tribute to IRA hunger strikers, was offensive. She claimed the song inflamed rival supporters — but admitted she did not mention their reaction to it in her statement.

    As he acquitted Dion, Sheriff Davidson said: “There is no evidence his behaviour could have incited disorder.”
     
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  4. MrT

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    What's the protest all about?
     
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  5. Mick

    Mick Probably won't answer PMs Staff Member

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    **** knows.
     
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  6. ManDingo 20"/20"

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    It's for ze cause.
     
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  7. DevAdvocate

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    I'm betting Lawell will get the blame. He'll be accused of "Colluding" with the Police...again and making the Council bend to his will by not allowing the march to go ahead.

    Q:What's the march for?


    A:For the same reason the last one was held (It appears).

    Well I thought that last one went swimmingly, so I don't know why any sensible person would think another of that ilk would be a bad idea. Never mind the resources required by the Council to facilitate such a march, I imagined Council officials would have been falling over themselves to allow a large group of people to march along the road shouting and singing.

    Lawell will get the blame, you wait and see. To be honest the people who believe this sort of fantasy are as bad as Leggat.
     
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  8. Moses

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    I would have thought the main focus for the fans today would have been about the possibility of winning the SPL?
     
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  9. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    And so it begins:

    Fritz says:
    2013-04-05 23:17:42

    Just stay on the pavement and observe traffic signals at road crossings. The Nazis should be given no excuse to harass fans walking to the park."Simples"




    <laugh>
     
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  10. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Pfft, That's only football, some of these people seem to be more concerned with politics and internecine battling with the Darth Vader style character who runs the club.
     
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  11. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    They are going to the game.
     
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  12. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    FAC would steward it themsrlves.
     
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  13. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    As I've said on here many times, I'm no fan of the GB or their 'agenda'.

    But today's protest was about highlighting a flawed bill that is being abused by people in authority and surely no one can have a problem with that?

    After all, today it's fans at matches . How long before the police are knocking down your door because you wrote hun or fenian on a football forum?
     
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  14. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    That's hardly the point though is it Reb? Their last demo was shambolic and blame has yet to be apportioned (by impartial sources). The Council know this so they would be off their heads to allow a march such a short time after the other one went pear-shaped. Surely the GB know they had no chance of this one being permitted, especially when by their own admission it was requested at short notice. If they are as sensible as they claim to be then they would have known, which then begs the question "why even bother trying?"
     
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  15. ManDingo 20"/20"

    ManDingo 20"/20" MDMA Guru

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    Thats bollocks.

    Since when were laws supposed to be fair and well thought out?
     
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  16. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    It's not though ST, it's about:

    Following the events in and around Gallowgate on 16th March 2013there was a meeting of FAC on Monday 18th March to plan and organise a response to the unprovoked and disproportionate Police action against Celtic fans on that day.
     
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  17. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    But it's all a result of a flawed bill. That's the point I'm making.
     
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  18. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    The original march was apparently for that purpose but this one has been organised as a demonstration in support of the last march. <laugh>

    I can see another one being organised to demonstrate against Glasgow Coooncil for not allowing this one to go ahead.
     
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  19. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    It isn't a GB demo.
     
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  20. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator Staff Member

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    glasgow council never said it couldn't go ahead.
     
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