Generally very well-balanced argument from you gooners. Nice to see football fans are making their own minds up and not being led around by the nose by the vested interests and the press
What you, and almost all of this gutter press of ours have failed to mention, is that he goes on to say in his biography that Mussolini's methods of achieving his goals were vile and totally unacceptable in civilised society..That piece of information musn't fit in with our wonderful journalists criteria though!
Di Canio making that vile nazi salute to the Lazio ultras tells me all i need to know about the odious creep.
Doesn't really fit in with his tattoo either, does it? His autobiography actually said this: "I am fascinated by Mussolini. I think he was a deeply misunderstood individual. He deceived people. His actions were often vile. But all this was motivated by a higher purpose. He was basically a very principled individual. Yet he turned against his sense of right and wrong. He compromised his ethics." Make of that what you will.
Hitler was a great leader, you can't dispute that. But that doesn't preclude him from the consequences that his ideology put into practice wrought. You can be principled about whatever you like, but it's the motive that counts.
Why is it acceptable to have BNP bus drivers and other BNP members in the public service but not a so called fascist football manager in the entertainment industry? So long as he isn't discriminative it isn't an issue for me personally. I don't agree with Nazism, Fascism or even Communism but then again what ideology is perfect? Capitalism/Neo-liberalism in truth is far worse than any of the aforementioned could ever hope to be.
Okay Piskie, I can't let that one go by - I can dispute anything . I think a great leader has to have had ultimate success. Hitler's reign may have had a few beneficial side effects for some Germans, but his policies, methods and ideology were always going to be disastrous for the people he was leading.
Hitler was just an eccentric product of French greed and misplaced desire for revenge. Up until 1936 & the beginning of rounding up the Jews all he did was take back what was rightfully theirs pre-WW1. Hitler was beneficial for almost every German, bad for everyone else of course. Despite their sheer lunacy re: Final Solution and hatred towards the disabled, Blacks, Jews (like the Tories now really) they would have comfortably won the war if it were left down to Hitler's generals and not him. The greatest thing Hitler ever did was bringing Russia (And the US thanks to Japan) into the war because if it weren't for that Western Europe was facing unconditional surrender and we'd be sat here talking about how great Nazism is and how bad "Democracy" is etc.
You could also use the argument that all France did after WWI was take back Alsace Lorraine <sic> which was the territory taken by the Germans after the Franco-Prussian war in the 19th century
Sorry Toledo but Hitler had just about as close to ultimate success as you can have. But for his mental health decaying and his stupid decision to fight the whole world at once as opposed to finishing the job in europe first and then dealing with the yanks and russians, we would all be speaking German. He took a country on its knees and turned it into the worlds super power, he improved the infastructure, economy, military power and status of Germany. Had it not been for his intent on following through with his hate filled ideology he would have been considered one of the greatest leaders to have ever lived. Anyone who was able to take a battered post WW1 germany and turn it into the most powerful nation in europe in under a decade has to be considered a great leader. His charisma, national pride, use of propaganda and new style of thinking made him a great leader. He just unfortunately wasn't a great person.
"Why is it acceptable to have BNP bus drivers and other BNP members in the public service but not a so called fascist football manager in the entertainment industry? So long as he isn't discriminative it isn't an issue for me personally." - thats why i gave you the thumbs up btw district line, couldnt agree more with this! Holding a prejudice and actively discriminating are two different things, people shouldn't be punished for there thoughts but rather there actions and intent.
The Di Canio apologists are missing the point. Most advanced civilisations have evolved to the point where they've adopted legal systems that have implicit within them a certain moral stance. The moral choice implicit within UK legal system is that no public body should promote racism/discrimination in any way. Premier league clubs may not be a public body...but they are in the public eye hence the debate (believe me if it was a public body he would have been given the boot so hard that his arse would be bleeding....and none of the apologists for fascists and closet racists would be able to do anything about it) For those who still want to disassociate fascism from rascism...do the colour test: what % of the neo fascists movement is actually non white? (And don't posts stories/pics of the odd one or two) Anyone who is going to deny the enthno centric philosophy behind fascism will have more luck getting blood out of a stone. The view that the you can accept Di Canio as a manager even if (to paraphrase an argument made above) he wanted all non Italian babies incinerated and still claim to be neutral on the issue is a lie....you are NOT neutral but you, if not entirely supportive of the ideology, are at the very least sympathetic to some of the issues which might cause white Italians to turn to Fascism. If the latter is true....then there are far better ways to help the disenfranchised young working class white Italian then to give passive support to fascism. The free speech shield is but a smokescreen which hides the real reaon for the support Di Canio is getting: frustration at immigration, deluded perceptions of the white male being victimised by political correctness, not being able to deport terrorists etc etc...and in some rare cases the closet racist who hasn't got the balls to admit it publicly. It's barely been 60 years since fascists were gassing people for holding different religious beliefs, coming from a certain ethnic group, being disabled etc. Frankly I would love to see the reaction of the same people if Di Canio had tattoos of the 911 terrorists all over his body and had written books glorifying Bin Laden as misunderstood....it's only his belief right?/so what if he supports an ideology that would love to incinerate your daughter?
I know what you mean....I'd love District Line to think that if he was queuing up outside Auschwitz in the 1940s with a Star of David on his chest
He wasn't a great person? More like he was as close to the Devil as you could possible get? He was a coward who killed himself....
You've clearly not understood what I've read which is a shame really. Nobody at all is condoning what Hitler did but look at the Nigerian kids being used like animals by Pzifer to test their products. Look at the Israeli's bombing the ****e out of Palestine (funded by US government), look at the numerous acts of terrorism committed by Al Qaeda and co (funded by US government). Blair and Bush murdered millions for a bit of oil. Bankers and Polticians prepared to gamble/waste money of the entire nation forcing millions to go homeless and starve. All under the watch of Capitalism/Neo-Liberalism, an ideology that has as much blood on its hands as Nazism. As far as we know, Di Canio's alleged political beliefs do not interfere with his line off work so there's little to discuss from my point of view.
As I've said Hitler was a product of French greed and desire for vengeance. Hitler was a WW1 soldier and hospitalised at the point of surrender. On a military front Germany did not lose that war, Russia had surrendered unconditionally and the Germans were a few attacks away from forcing Britain to surrender as well, both economies were stretched to the absolute limit. Hitler felt betrayed (as did many others), after all there was no allied solider that stepped foot on German soil. The French decided to strip Germany of everything, the reparations were virtually unpayable and the French would often humiliate them upon collecting payment, money that was borrowed from the US which itself collapsed after the Wall Street Crash. So there you had a country on its knees, money was worthless, people starved to death having to trade wheelbarrows of cash for a loaf of bread. Hitler abolished democracy as he believed it weakened leadership and completely turned the nation round, people had jobs, living conditions improved and unemployment was at an all time low. You have to understand German people were understandably angry and aggrieved at their situation, Hitler was able to use this to his advantage and create a siege mentality. The guy was a complete nutcase and his hatred of the Jews and Holocaust was one of the most abhorrent things in world history but he was a great leader if you were German at the time. In the end he was a patriotic nutcase with a burning desire for revenge. As for the devil, you ought to read up on Stalin who was far worse than Hitler in every manner, or even Mao. Unlike Hitler, this people had no reason for revenge or anything but were driven on by pure evil.
The examples you have given are valid flaws of the current dominant system....but none come close to the systematic, industrial scale slaughter of Nazism. Even the Palestinians (who are one of the most oppressed at this moment in time) would prefer their current situation over being rounded up and wiped out in the manner the Jews, gypsies, disabled were by the Fascist regime in Germany.
Valid point but is Di Canio really an advocate of that? You can be a member of a party without always sharing all of their fundamental beliefs. There were many Tories that voted in favour of equal marriage, which generally, is against the Tory grain. I doubt very much Di Canio would generally be an advocate of rounding up all Jews, Blacks, Gypsies and putting them in an oven/face firing squad execution.
Wow wow wow hang on there...this particular strand of debate was in response to your claim that Nazism wasn't as bad as the current system. Di Canio may not agree with that... when it comes to him only those who are lucky enough of to belong to a group that is unlikely to be in the cross hairs of any future fascist regime have the luxury to remain in different.
