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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Amin Arrears, Apr 2, 2013.

  1. roseniorhisgranisfromhull

    roseniorhisgranisfromhull Well-Known Member

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    Definitely. You have to have real quality to offer **** all resistance. For example, Berbatov can get away with it, as he's technically one of the best players in the world, so Fulham can afford to carry one player. We had 4/5 today. You cannot afford to carry 4/5 men, especially when they offered **** all on the ball & offensively too.
     
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  2. roseniorhisgranisfromhull

    roseniorhisgranisfromhull Well-Known Member

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    I partially agree with the first part, although neither does Evans. Evans' passing is very poor and Fathi we have seen very little of, but there's a reason Bruce isn't playing him. So really, we have no-one who'd offer that platform, other than Chester, who we need in defense.

    I disagree with the second part, he was brave and battled well, winning the ball often and in some key positions, even if he did just go on to hoof it.
     
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  3. PLT

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    I agree the midfield wasn't great.

    And you know who the worst offender was? Yet a-****ing-gain it was your hero Robert Koren. Backed out of everything, didn't complete a single pass and hasn't a clue what's going on around him ever meaning he just loses it every time he touches it. The guy has let us down constantly since the turn of the year yet because he's a big name player and Bruce isn't you're all over him instead. He isn't playing because he's the manager's son. He's playing because the manager thinks he's the best bet in that position. Evans is no better, he does the exact same things wrong as Bruce does. I didn't like the idea of signing Bruce at first, and his hoofing annoys me, but he's miles better than you're making out here.

    People seem to have forgotten how bad Evans' passing is since he's been out of the team.
     
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  4. roseniorhisgranisfromhull

    roseniorhisgranisfromhull Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, Evans offers less than Bruce for me, at least Bruce stays in position and does the defensive side of the game. Although I thought Koren still offered more than Boyd did in midfield.
     
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  5. McGregor HU5

    McGregor HU5 Well-Known Member

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    Evans' passing isn't the best granted, but at least he has some composure on the ball and can pick a pass more often than not.
     
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  6. Putter65

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    'didn't complete a single pass' ???

    is going over the top a bit !
     
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  7. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    Evans is no Xabi Alonso but he keeps it simple and lays it off nicely when someone comes to collect it and doesn't just hoof it to no one every time, he's a platform. He's also assured on the ball and when faced with danger he wriggles away from the enemy and lays it off to someone who's clear. He also understands the holding midfield position a lot better, keeps shape and makes some very good interceptions and tackles.

    The only things Bruce could be regarded better for is he tackles far harder which can be a good thing and a bad thing, and he's a lot better in the air (not that you'd have known tonight, don't think he won one high ball at all, even got beaten in the air by little shrimp midget battochio ffs!)

    I understood Bruce playing in midfield against millwall away who play tough and have an absolute tank bursting forwards in trotter who needs a barricade to stop him, but every other game he's played there he's been shocking and we've looked far worse for it. Ironically every time he plays there the rest of the midfield goes completely missing because they have nothing to work with. They have a choice, try and do everything themselves or pass to Bruce and watch him try and score a try conversion.
     
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  8. roseniorhisgranisfromhull

    roseniorhisgranisfromhull Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry but I just cannot see how you've come to that opinion. Bruce sits deep all the time, barely ever commits himself forward. Evans often joins in with attacks and leaves us stranded. With regards to interceptions, again, cannot agree, his reading of the game is poor and he rarely intercepts anything.
     
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  9. Davies Headband

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    My favourite one tonight was when we looked like we were going to hit them on the counter and he just scooped it up a mile in the air towards the corner.

    Also, is that space on the edge of the area in front of the back four that they scored their goal from not meant to be the reason he's in the team?

    There was absolutely no need at all to play him in centre mid tonight, Watford were never going to bully us, so the only reason to pick him is gone.

    I'd change the whole midfield on Saturday, go with Quinn Evans and Cairney.
     
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  10. Newland Tiger

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    Well we missed Meyler , Alex Bruce can't pass a ball and Koren and Boyd were ineffective to say the least , Quinn and Evans looked better when they came on
    Elmo didn't play well , Proschwitz kicked their player rather than the ball when attempting a shot , why take Gedo off ? If a chance goes to Proschwitz Gedo or Simpson who would you put money on to score ?
    If Gedo was injured ok , Quinn cannot have been 100% otherwise he would start
     
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  11. Amin Arrears

    Amin Arrears Well-Known Member

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    Ditto you. Bruce was all over the place tonight, it was like playing piggy in the middle with a dog and a frisky with a bonio attached to it. And when we had the ball he was just static stood higher up the pitch than koren and Boyd offer no kind of option leaving the pair of them to drop right back to collect the ball, wriggle through their entire midfield and then try find someone to pass to r something to do.

    And as goochie says, they goal came from the area he was supposed to be protecting but he was caught a mile and a half out of position whilst he was chasing the ball round like a lost sheep.

    And one of most important roles of a holding midfielder is to support attacks, always there behind the action available to pass to in case the attackers run into dead ends. A role of utmost importance in this 3 at the back formation when the full backs are also in the enemy third and not sat back a bit offering an option. Evans is ALWAYS there, also another key part of the job Bruce fails miserably at.
     
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  12. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Bob you've gone ****ing nuts mate. Elmo, i think, passed the ball straight to them. All the team were out of position for their goal. By the way 3 cb's and their number 9 drops off them and scores the ****ing goal so where were the the three CB's?
     
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  13. HullCityAFC1904

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    I'm not going to slate our players tonight, Watford had a day more to recover than us which is always critical . We lost one-nil v a good team. The deciding factor was that the players weren't fresh, they've told Bruce they were OK to start but Boyd, Koren, and Elmo clearly weren't at the races, the fault is half with the manager for not freshening it up and half the players. I agree with Bullshit that Evans should have started though as you need a limited player like Bruce fully charged and he was off the pace like the rest of the team. Any over the top criticism is not deserved like Premier Leagues of Koren, sorry mate well over the top, he wasn't up to 2 matches in that time doesn't make him a bad player.
     
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  14. roseniorhisgranisfromhull

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    It was not Bruce's fault for the goal. That's just not true. If anything it was Elmo, Chester or Faye's. Elmo sloppily gave the ball away (something that he's starting to do all too often) whilst neither Faye nor Chester went to close Deeney down.
     
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  15. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Just seen it on sky. Hobbs missed the challenge then Faye doesn't close deeny down
     
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  16. BrAdY

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    Elmo was poor today, he's not been his best the last couple of games, evans was ****e when he came on, lets be honest..
     
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  17. BrAdY

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    I actually thought bruce played well today..
     
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  18. PLT

    PLT Well-Known Member

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    Just fed up of seeing the same player play ****e every week and no one say anything. Someone texted into RH saying we should either play Koren or Boyd, not both. How can you even compare the two? Boyd is miles better.
     
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  19. PLT

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    Elmo's doing a bit of a Cameron Stewart in a way, he's stopped running at his man. Is he carrying a knock? I'm sure I heard something about him having a niggle a while back and he hasn't been as effective since.
     
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  20. Murdoc

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    Elmo is ineffective against faster full backs. He relies on his pace to beat them and if he can't pace them then he is kept out of the game.

    Alex Bruce shouldn't start home games. It's too negative. Away from home, definitely as he's that nitty-gritty player who takes no **** but at home, you lose a player in attack. Add that alongside the recent performances of Koren, and we're technically starting with 9 men.
     
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