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Carra: I'd say Luis is my all-time No.2

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  1. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/carra-i-d-say-luis-is-my-all-time-no-2

    Jamie Carragher believes Luis Suarez is edging closer to being the second best Liverpool player he has played alongside.

    Steven Gerrard is ranked Carragher's all-time number one.

    But the more he trains with Suarez, the more the centre-back realises the Uruguayan has the ability and the spontaneity to push for second spot.

    He told Liverpoolfc.com: "People always ask me: 'Who is the best player you've played with at Liverpool?'

    "And that would always be Stevie, but the more I play with Luis, the more I'm thinking that he's coming second.

    "The more I see of him, the way he plays and some of the things I see him do training, I really do think we've got one of the best players in the world at Liverpool.

    "With Stevie, we have to enjoy him for the next two or three years and hopefully we can do the same with Luis. He's that good, I think he could play for any team in the world."

    Countless Barclays Premier League defenders have tried and failed to thwart the No.7 over the past two years.

    However, surely a man who will go down in Liverpool history as one of the club's finest defenders has figured out how to stop him?

    "Close your legs," insisted Carragher. "I've never seen anyone nutmeg people so often.

    "Honestly, I've never seen anything like it. He must do it three or four times in each training session and it's the same in a game.

    "The amount of times I have seen him on the by-line, putting the ball between someone's legs, or stood on the line, pulling the ball back.

    "I think you have Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo on one level. Below that level, there's Andres Iniesta, Luis [Suarez] and players like that. He's definitely in that bracket."
     
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  2. Magic Ted

    Magic Ted Talulah

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    I pray to God we don't lose him in the Summer if Carra rates him at second <yikes> When you think of some of the players Carra has played with in his career.. That's very high praise indeed.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    its nice alright.

    if he goes he goes... i hope for top dollar as it were.

    If we sign 2/3 players out of it and coutinho can provide the sort of ammo he is doing? well we could do well.

    reality time... disastrous first half to season depsite all suarez efforts proves one man can't make the difference. we did as well last year and won something with suarez half firing.
     
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  4. mighty_stevie_g

    mighty_stevie_g Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully Rodgers has proved his worth in the January window to get a nice sum of money for the summer.

    We are only a couple of players short of having a bloody good team - don't improve it and we will be a bit more consistent next year, finish 5th or 6th and then Suarez goes. Show the initiative now to genuinely improve what we have and we could be top 4 next year cos lets face it, the last 2 years shouldn't have been difficult to achieve that, we are over rating the strength this league has. No one has been singing utd's praises and they have walked it this year!
     
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  5. Some people will disagree with me here but I'd take an in-form Fowler or Torres over an in-form Suarez. Suarez is great to watch and is able to get at teams but the other two guaranteed a goal if presented with a chance, I don't feel like that with Luis. Imagine having a (in-from) Fowler, Torres or even a Michael Owen alongside Suarez <yikes>
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    well that goes two ways.

    1. yes i think if you mean FSG should have more confidence that he's choices are not total bums then correct he should get more money. I think its 50/50 most times with signings not matter who you are, ferguson, mancini or whoever.. its just the summer was 100% flops. borini, allen, assaidi, sahin, even yesil due to injury. All must be included as anger was so high on 1st sept that FSG had to send us a letter!

    2. Are we that close to a good team.... hmmmm probably. I think more like 3/4 to be bloody good as you say. keeper is good. midfield 3 is ok if henderson included, front 3 with sturridge is good.... I question still both full backs defensively as it sbread and butter and honestly we need 2 CBs. I think we need to solidify a lot there.... the two full backs would benefit.

    all in all its not bad and any side in the prem SHOULD be no looking forward to our side turning up or coming to anfield but until the sloppy goals and inability to defend crosses and frees is dealt with we won't be that.

    on the othe rhand.

    1. the point is sell suarez and it doesn't fall apart as he proved that on his own he got us where? nowhere really. all the goals got nothing i nthe end, put a TEAM together with him in it and yes it could win things but equally put a realy team together with supply like coutinho gives and it'll still be good.

    2. Rodgers needs to prove himself in terms of all those things he said we would be but are not. I hope west ham have a torrid time against us... but will they? we actually came out on villa and pressed... prevented the controlled long ball to benteke a bit... if we PRESS PRESS PRESS we will be better.... but the CBs need to be able to handle it. (and lucas)
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    well.... ok there's another couple of points here.

    1. if we could get a robbie fowler in his pomp he'd be fabulous. his ability to finish was amazing.... i'd perfer that to torres even.

    2. suarez in form and instinctive is best, don't give him time or he'll try to get it on his right and miss. BUT he's not that much a provider compared to what countinho is doing. I think if you went for a three suarez should go wide right and coutinho wide left and then fowler up top woudl be amazing... the performance v arseanl gives me great hope for this.
     
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  8. Can't really believe we never used to agree MITO <laugh>

    I will argue to I am blue in the face that Suarez is not a natural goalscorer. Top goal scorer or not, his shots to goals ratio simply isn't of natural goalscorer quality IMO.
     
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  9. mighty_stevie_g

    mighty_stevie_g Well-Known Member

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    I'm happy with Johnson and Enrique at full back although both need to be more consistent because when they have bad games they are dreadful.

    I think we are still learning the pressing game as a lot of the time we press and no one covers and that's where the huge gaps come from.

    But yeah I absolutely dread every single corner/free kick we give away as there may as well not be a red shirt in the box at the moment.
     
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  10. Milk Milk

    Milk Milk Well-Known Member

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    I'd agree with Gerrez as hard as that is to do. Suarez's game isn't really about goal scoring.

    Comparing him to Torres, Owen, Fowler isn't accurate... yes they were better goal scorers in their prime... Suarez can be downright wasteful with his shooting and missing... but he gets enough and no one else is firing that he makes it worthwhile.


    Suarez is really a player more in the mould of Garcia or Bennayoun. The fact that he is scoring so many goals is a combination of:

    1) he is much better than Garcia/Bennayoun.
    2) He is having to shoot more because no one else can/will.


    He is an amazing player and I do think better than Torres and Owen overall (even at their best) because he brings more than just shooting.


    As much as I rate him. I do think for £50-£60 mill with clever spending he is replaceable. Don't want him to go... but with enough money to strengthen 2 or 3 spots considerably we could be a better overall team.



    One thing about Suarez that bothers me (besides his numskull moments) he is definately not consistent. When he's good he's really good... other times he seems out of phase like Sunday where he looked clumsy and played naively. That could have been Garcia out there Sunday.
     
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  11. I think Suarez contributes to others not scoring. Luis is a ball greedy player and often tries to go alone when he should pass, this starves the other players of chances. The question is, does he do this intentionally because he doesn't trust his teammates to finish the job or is he just a typical forward that has the hunger?

    I'd rather have a in-from Torres personally. Fernando was able to create things out of nothing too but didn't need to rely on a trick or two, his share acceleration killed defenders.

    I don't agree about the consistency comment though, when Suarez is good he his unstoppable. But when he isn't so good he is still a better option than most other players we have because he still works hard and harasses defenders. He is in the same mould as Tevez and Rooney in that he just does not know when to give up, a trait I truly love about Suarez!
     
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  12. Milk Milk

    Milk Milk Well-Known Member

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    I think Suarez being greedy is good when he is good... bad when he is not good.

    Suarez being best option even when playing poorly is true... but I think that is partially down to not really having much decent competition up front.

    An inform Sturridge or Coutinho (playing support) would be better than an out of form Suarez... but playing all three would probably usually be better yet.

    I think Sunday we would have been better off with a fully fit and inform Sturridge instead of Suarez starting... although I think putting Stur up front and replacing Downing with Suarez would have been better yet.
     
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  13. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    I agree with Gerrez in that a 60% Suarez (in terms of fitness or ability) is still our most attacking threat which says a lot about Suarez and the rest of our attackers.

    Suarez isn't a natural striker or a goal scorer (although his records would suggest otherswise!). He will score goals through his sheer effort and determination, as well as the high number of shots he takes.

    I would definitely have Torres over Suarez as the main striker but never has a direct replacement. Suarez is versatile and can play along the front, he can get assists and score goals. His personality, his desire and his overall fitness is almost unrivalled - he's basically a more controversial and technically better version of Kuyt.

    Suarez will need to work on his goals to shots ratio (which has improved since last year) but considering his effort all over the pitch, the lack of top class players around him and his ability to get the ball in awkward positions and still create something - I think these factors compensate his finishing.

    Put him on the wing and let a Daniel Sturridge type player occupy the middle.
     
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  14. Milk Milk

    Milk Milk Well-Known Member

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    I think Carra has obviously forgot Igor Biscan in his assessment.
     
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  15. Ezio Auditore

    Ezio Auditore Member

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    Suarez is good for sure but to rate him on the same level as Iniesta is just ridiculous.
     
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  16. I know, Luis is clearly better <doh>
     
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  17. SJD

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    Did I read somewhere his new contract had a £40 million release clause in it?
    Or am I just making s+it up! lol
     
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  18. mighty_stevie_g

    mighty_stevie_g Well-Known Member

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    Think it is just one of those rumours, if we did put that in we are idiots.
     
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