Imo it's very stupid to do the salute. Idiotic in fact,purely because of the links with Nazi Germany. It will only cause problems There is a distinct difference between what Hitler wanted and facism. For example: Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews, that would be the Nazi ideology. The fascist ideology would have all the Jews converted to Christianity or whatever the pure race was. They accept minority groups provided they change their culture. Nazism would seek to destroy the minority groups Of course the idea of a superior race or way of life especially in this day and age is ludacris, but his views are no where near as bad as it may be interpreted. He apparently wrote articles in Italy condemning racism as well. Bottom line is his political views are dodgy but he is not a racist and is certainly not a Nazi Some people will of course already be aware of what facism is and still disagree with him being here, that's fine. I only just learned what the exact difference was and thought I'd share
Whether you can be a fascist and not be racist is difficult, depends on what you interpret racism to be. If you reject a culture then that would appear as racism. But if you've absolutely deluded yourself into thinking that way of life is superior and everyone else should lead that better life form then that becomes less clear. I personally don't think Di Canio is a racist. If he keeps his political views to himself and we do well on the pitch I have absolutely no objections to him being here and don't believe anyone should
Reading the posts here, I think the reason he has ended up at Sunderland is that there are plenty of ignorant people who will turn a blind eye to it if not racist themselves. I don't think there are too many clubs that would have him.
Vaughan Identity, leaning towards fascist policies definitely does not necessitate having racial prejudice beyond what I hesitate to call "normal". I mean, we're all biologically racist and sexist, so thinking one particular skin-tone is more attractive than the other is really not racist, as much as we will hide such thought. Explicitly denouncing races as inferior in every way is racist, and using insulting language in the process is more so and that's what anti-racism movements want to stamp out. DiCanio, as far as I have seen, has never done such. But fascism isn't necessarily race related. It can be nationalistic, and their economic policies can reap great benefit for a country (even if you take the shady business out of the equation). It can rely too heavily on militaristic aggression and sometimes racism, but it was not always designed thus as I understand it. Even some supposed democracies use such tactics... Isn't it about time America and ourselves waged another war to distract us from economic failure? Haven't Argentina been doing that with the Falklands for years? Also, as I was lead to believe, DiCanio's reverence for fascism has declined somewhat in later years to more left-wing branches. As a football fan, you're most probably quite fascist if you think about it. Our little group is the best, f*** all others... Common enemy to distract ourselves from our woes... As a football player, DiCanio's probably worked under and admired authoritative leaders and tacticians, and as a manager he wants to be thus. It's hardly surprising in such a fascist environment he's fascist. I'd love to see a manager democratically elect his starting 11 and confer with the UN before making subs. There we go... now I'm at it. Incredibly simplistic and reductionist viewpoint, but so will all opinions be on the matter. See, much better to at least relate the topic to his potential as a manager.
"I mean, we're all biologically racist and sexist" Speak for yourself matey. Lots of us believe in co-operation, brotherhood and equality.
Get over yourself. You're at least as racist as the next man/woman/thing. Nobody is attracted to all sizes, shapes, colours, brain capacities etc... It's biological and cultural fact. Of course that doesn't have to equate to hating other races, but in built prejudice out of our control is absolutely in existence. Pretending otherwise is just stupid.
I actually find this whole thing quite interesting It would be helpful if Di Canio would dicuss his views further to help understand him further. As I've stated already I don't believe he's at all racist, why would he take a job with several races in the team, he wouldn't. As Nazism was developed from facism and it will of course cause a lot of fuss, but as facism is in reality nowhere near as extreme as Nazism, the sooner people understand this the better. That's a good point you made about the football environment breeding a facist ideology. But I think in this case it stems from his younger years, nevertheless especially playing in the old firms games his facist tendencies would have been somewhat encouraged
Gandalf has a definitions problem - we're not biologically disposed to being racist. Look at the way children naturally integrate and make no distinction based on race, so we're certainly not predisposed towards racism. You might be referring to emotional intelligences or instinct in the sense that our emotions. often subliminally inform us about how me might react. Whereas we may regard our racist internal reactions as genetic imprinting, this isn't the same as biological imprinting which may work on other more basal levels - ie: a baby screams because he's is hungry, a child cries because she hurt her arm, we rub or scratch ourselves because we have an irritation. In other words, genetic imprinting is geared towards survival and arms us with various tools. Racism is something learned, this may come from our parents and other influential people in our lives such as powerful members of the Nazi Party, often here in the UK it has an institutionalised base and is quite endemic. The fact that children will play freely with all types of people, including people such as the physically handicapped, suggests are there are no imprints that instinctively inform us that a group of people who look different to us are a threat, may have harmful intentions or pose any sort of a danger to us. To say that everyone is racist is facile, it is also shallow and deflective, thus making a sweeping inaccurate generalisation that obsfuscates discussion about poeple who do have dangerous, harmful and threatening viewpoints that have clear intentions of harm or disadvantage towards another group of people.
I think you should give Paolo a chance. But his nazi salute (on more than one occasion) shows he is rather thick at times so I think he is an accident waiting to happen. He's ne'er managed in the prem before with all its added pressure and I can see him cracking big time.
The thing is though mate, you are judging his whole political spectrum on the odd recorded comments/actions...The same man has also been one of the most vocal backers of the kick racism out of football campaign, so I for one am willing to give the bloke a chance and look at the whole book rather than just the cover..
Yes we are mate a good 2 points below you lot dire straits indeed. Our team needs a rocket of epic proportions to be fair that is where our problem lies for me anyway.
What you also need though is a manager who can slip straight into the job (or as smoothly as possibly giving the circumstances). It looks as though PDC's appointment has whipped up a storm regarding his fascist views. Miliband (who is of Jewish ancestry) has quit and many fans will be against PDC's fascist views. Not a good start at all and it distracts from the job that he needs to do. By the way, Sunderland are one of nine teams that could go down (including my team) in the third relegated place. It's all to play for and I assume that's what most Sunderland fans will be looking at.
Fair point mate but I am struggling with this and am not sure I can see past those comments and gestures!
