I know there's been a bit of a discussion with a number of our fans boycotting the game about whether fans who don't boycott it undermine the point. Does this apply to those who go in the home end, or just the ones that are visibly there supporting us? We know full well there's going to be a significant number of fans in the "wrong" end because of WYP's decision makers being a bunch or arseholes. Now, those fans who do enter the home end and are found to have acquired tickets in an unauthorised manner will be in breach of the law so I'm clearly not asking anyone in that situation to admit it on here. This is just a case of trying to work out the view on it. Are they seen in the same light as the ones in the "right" end by those who think it's wrong to skip the boycott when we could leave an empty stand? Part of me thinks yes because they're still attending the game, but then another part of me thinks that as it doesn't affect the visual impact of the boycott it's not the same effect so there's no undermining going on providing they behave in the ground. EDIT: I'm not asking if a boycott is right or not or whether the people not boycotting are doing the right or wrong thing by ging to back the team which just happens to undermine it at the same time. This is a question working on the basis that a boycott is happening and fans that are going in the away end are undermining it, with no views cast on that decision.
Out of interest, which law? I can see it being against the particular stadium rules in some circumstances, but I can't see what law it breaks. The nearest I can think is Section 5, Public Order where there's a threat of a breach of the peace, but that'd be quite hard to prove if you're with Home fans.
There must be instances whereby friends go to games and that one is a home fan and the other for the away team. I used to go to games with a friend of mine who is a Burnley supporter, we sat together and had great banter through the game, but I never felt I was breaking the law.
There is NOTHING that dictates where in a stadium a supporter has a ticket for. Once they have a ticket they can support whatever team they wish. They cannot be asked to leave unless they pose a threat to safety. The police action relates primarily to travel to the ground and entry into the stadium. In the KC Leeds supporters openly wore scarves in the west stand.
In answer to the actual point you raised Ricardo, in my view there's a marked difference in going in the home end and going in the away end. The away end bit's been covered, but by going in the home end, it shows the Police action up further for the farce it is and let's the individual choose how they wish to travel and spend their time rather than being dictated to by ****wits.
The bigger question is "what sort of supporter are you". All of this branding of supporters is plain daft. Any supporter who goes to the match is a supporter. Any supporter who doesn't go is a supporter Any supporter who goes to Huddersfield takes part in the protest is a supporter. Any supporter who boycotts the match is a supporter. No one on here, no group, not one poster, is a better supporter than any other. You may have gone to Torquay, bought Yorkie bars from the shed at BP, stand at all of the matches, have a registration plate with misspelt references to the club on it, but get this one thing straight. The bloke who has bought his first ticket to a game, who has pictures of Wayne Rooney by his bed, who does know the words to come on you ill, is just as much a supporter as you, once he cheers for the team, that's it.
We disagree Melu.I have been to watch Rovers play and say I support them as a gee up to Black and Whites.My mate is a season ticket holder who goes through thick and thin.I think most people would say he was a bigger /better fan than me. I think those who watched City away at Torquay (when we were truly rubbish)are bigger fans than me.I actually bumped into 4 of them at a services near Tamworth and the thought I had was what time they would get back to Hull arter another pitiful display. I think I am more of a fan than the 2-3 seaon variety from the Phil Brown era.
But that is just a relative point. Stood next to a fan who hasn't missed a match in twenty years, there could be one who hasn't missed a match for thirty years. No one is a better supporter than anyone else except in their own minds. You cannot undo the past but you can change the present and the future. I travel 240/250 miles to home matches, am I a better supporter than you? But I only bought my first season pass when Phil Brown was a manager. It's all relative. The key is support, it's not what you have done its what you do now. It's not what others think of you that counts its what you do for others.
Melu it is as you say a relative point.If you like chocolate the bargain shops will sell you a metre of "toblerone"like choccy for a quid.If you give this to me on christmas day expecting me to be pleased because it is labelled chocolate and in cross section looks like a toblerone you will possibly be disappointed when I make a wholehearted attempt to thrust the bar in an unexpected place whilst calling you a tight git. You normally have my admiration Melu but on this you seem to have come over all guardian reader and lets give all the children a certificate even if the lazy bastards actually walked the cross country race
I understand, Last week I took part in the protest. But who am I to condem those who didn't as better or worse supporters of Hull City. If I really really wanted to I would join in at Huddersfield, but the fact is that many who do join n will still be at the match. Boycotting only harms ourselves IMO. I work with Police all of the time. But WYP are wrong and I am prepared to tell them so. But it is too complex to argue that not supporting a boycott is wrong. Lets not allow the actions of WYP tear our supporters apart. There is nothing to gain by it and everything to lose. We don't discuss politics or religion on here as a rule, and this is IMO something close, let's not judge others by our actions.
I would imagine these 'spotters' will be out in force picking city fans out the cows end. This protest thing should go so much further, rather than just a protest, it should be the start of a rebellion, we're island people, we should be tribal, in charge of our own territories, not under big brothers ever present watchful eye. Nevermind being forced to travel on official coaches, we should be in that away end in black and amber war paint with zulu shields and spears. **** the government, **** the system, this is our England now!
Anyone who thinks those in the away end are anything less of a supporter than the fans in other areas of the ground is a clueless ****wit.
You are starting to sound like those Newcastle fans at Wigan chanting, "We are Newcastle United we do what we want"
I was offered a ticket for the home end by my neighbour. I explained that I had decided to boycott, and he has decided to boycott it too in support
I wonder if this message might get over to the players ? I mean if it does turn out,we take say 138. Will the team even know why ? And if so,how will they take it ? I hope they get why we're doing this,and get us the points in support. How's about Elmo getting his third,and lifting his shirt,to reveal "**** THE WYP"
It is against ground regulations for away fans to sit in home areas. You can be ejected by stewards. The police would oly get involved if you argued with the stewards or the police decided you were a risk that there could be a breach of the peace. Away fans have been spotted and ejected for NOT celebrating when the home side score. This happened to City fans at Old Trafford amongst other places. Needless to say the gutless stewards we have, although keen to throw their weight about with home fans do not enforce this regulation, probably because, like the police, they think away fans might argue back and they can't or won't deal with that.
I'm sure, despite some thinking footballers are a bit thick, that they have read about this and seen it on TV, not to mention on Internet forums. So they would be aware why. I am sure Millwall players were aware why there were only 200 or less of their fans at Leeds. I am sure our players will be OK. It won't be a lot different from some home matches at the KC when the crowd make so little noise they are drowned out by 200 or so away fans.
That isnt what happens at the KC. Away fans sat in the West Stand for the Leeds match. Wearing scarves and shirts. When I complained I was told that there was nothing that the stewards would or could do. I spoke to the OSC about it at the time and they said it was a concern but the club insists that unless there is a problem they can do nothing about it. It is an individual stadium policy nothing else.
