Just wondering what everyone's take is on some of the decisions that's been happening to these and other teams recently. Norwich were done over 3 times on the weekend and Newcastle had a player on the receiving end of a disgraceful foul. We of course had a shocker go against us against WBA So what would you do of you were in charge ? Would you rescind the red card shown to Bunn the Norwich keeper, would you ban McMannman the player who did the horror tackle and would you make the officials at WBA explain themselves to the FA? I know 2 of these 3 are not to do with us but considering how bad the decisions were and because of how well we get on with their fans I thought I'd ask so we could provide a neutrals perspective. Me, I would overturn the red card. I'd ban McMannaman for a very long time and I'd relegate the officials for the WBA game to league 2 for a few months, but that's just me.
Deffo overturn the red card because he did not handall it. Ban the player for 11 games, with the FA cup games that's the rest of the season and the heaviest fine possible too plus if they do get there he misses a cup final. Yes I would relegate those two officials to lower leagues for the rest of the season
The easy answer to all of this is to include Technology into football, problem is solved overnight. The fact it isnt being used tells me that the governing bodies be it FA,UEFA or FIFA still have a certain amount of manipulation within the game . The champions league has thrown up some un real decisions over the years and its not so much because the ref was biased as it was he was out of his depth completly and liable to make a royal **** up of something! Barca V Chelsea with that guy from Norway the referee!! how the **** is the dude gonna be prepared for a game like that plying his trade in front of a few thousand nogs on a cold saturday afternoon ?? the guy is quite easily going to be manipulated by the intense home crowds and buckle under the pressure, not an exact science i know but it does beg the question. I beleive the refs in the premier league are by and large an honest bunch, we have had some luck in the last few seasons so we cant complain too much, im sure Newcastle and Norwich have also had their fair share of luck too its just that these things dont make the headlines . The tackle the guy made on the Geordie was bad but i can see how he could have been genuinely going for the ball, the only guy that knows the truth there is the Wigan player. We have seen our very own Neil Taylor make some rash tackles in his time and i would not call him a dirty player,just sometimes a bit over zealous, without studying the Wigan boy too much id say he probably went for the ball but had little regard for the opposition player, having played myself i can say that sometimes your will to win the ball sometimes gets the better of your natural instinct to keep your foot down. **** happens but because we now live in a blame culture everything has to have reason or logic tagged on the end of it "why did he do that" #"why did he go in with his studs up" etc,etc . Sometimes **** happens ,it used to be called an Accident years ago . I dont think any pro would go out to break another guys leg, not high like that at least, anybody thats played would know never to do that intentionally, people forget that its a physical game and players are getting faster,fitter and more athletic than ever before ,they are twisting and moving their bodies while controling the ball, running at high speeds and changing direction at the last second,its easy to forget how fast these guys play the game, when your pitch side it gives you a totally different perspective of things(as i found at the Man Utd game) What to do? there are things that can be done but the rule makers dont want to change anything so i guess **** will continue !!
The linesman and ref for the WBA game should be demoted. You can't miss those sort of calls and be considered even remotely competent. With the abundance of video tape these days, the FA should routinely review officials' performance and especially if incidents happen and are reported by clubs - not necessarily to punish referees but to provide clear cut examples of how / where things can get ****ed up and how to avoid it. For those incidents that show a callous disregard for the rules and clear mind-blowingly stupid calls, they should be immediately demoted. Only in this way can quality of officiating be maintained and there is so much money fro clubs riding on results these days that it's no longer acceptable to shrug it off as one of those days. Clubs get promoted and demoted based on performance and so should officials. the pair of donkeys in the WBA game shouldn't be officiating at the professional level if they can't get those situations correct.
.. Thing is Dilli, it does make you think why football is the only game NOT embracing technology. The powers that be quite like a Grey area IMO, it means they can manipulate certain situations. Yankee- Your probably right anyway RE Video tape at teh FA!! and i bet its a Betamax video too !!
Yes it makes you wonder why technology isn't used but it looks like goal line technology will come in some time next season. Also, I have a mental image who on this board might have Betamax but I'm not saying who in case I get in trouble
This guy thinks Betamax still rocks anyway !! [video=youtube;6gek7M-zlGg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gek7M-zlGg[/video]
Just get the technology into use, that's all that needs doing, too many old farts at the FA, and UEFA, bloody disgrace we are still debating such issues!............... PS: McMannaman definitely needs banning, though I suspect someone will have it in for him now!............
I reckon some nutcase will get McManaman too. He should be grateful that Roy Keane has hung up his boots.
Yep, some big black bruiser will have him in his sights, shouldn't take much to flatten McManaman either!...............
Do you guys really think that?? Im not too sure that people inside the game share that view TBH. It makes no difference to me what happens to the wigan boy but i would think nobody is going to go out and do him over what happened! why would another professional risk his livlihood and his reputation on somebody who may well have just been a bit rash and stupid in a tackle situation ? What happens to the guy who takes revenge on the wigan player? wouldnt somebody else wish to seek revenge on him ? we then end up with a scenerio which goes beyond the relms of football..over one miss times tackle which might/might not have been deliberate!! Nobody really knows what went through the mind of that Wigan player, only he knows the Answer to that, i maintain that it was not intentional and he didnt set out to seriously injure the Newcastle boy, it was a red card offence but i dont think there was any malice involved, its football, its a mans game (apparently) and sometimes players miss time tackles and get it totally wrong! Accidents happen in life and in sport, there doesnt have to be somebody constantly held responsible for **** when it happens!!
On the recent events my take on it is: 1 Norwich lad has his red get overturned. 2 Wigan lad, yes the ref missed and I don't think the tackle was meant to hurt the Newcastle boy. But I do think he should have a retrospective Red card, of 3 games. 3 Our game v West Brom, Interesting that nothing has come out of this as it's only Swansea City. If Sir Alex and Man U were on the receiving end then WW3 would have broke out, and the official stepped down, thats what I feel should happen to then. Let's be honest the cocked up the basic rules of football.
So what would you do of you were in charge ? Would you rescind the red card shown to Bunn the Norwich keeper? No I wouldn't have. He used his arm. I would also ban Grant Holt for six weeks for his pathetic dive against Southampton the week before Would you ban McMannman the player who did the horror tackle? Yes. Exuberance on his debut my arse. It was a reckless challenge. Would you make the officials at WBA explain themselves to the FA? No. I would have their testicles removed and marinated before squeezing them into a fine chianti for FFS.
Norway ... I reckon the players on the field have a good sense of what was going on and whether the Wigan player is malicious or just plain stupid. If recalibration needs to happen, there are plenty of ways to nail a player without overtly getting called out and carded. What goes around will come around, and I dare say that there are some seniors in Wigan that will take him to one side and remind him that his career could be over in a blink if somebody went into him the same way.
I have genuinely been of the belief, for some time, that the three relegated teams are not necessarily the poorest, but the most unlucky. Every premier league weekend we have the same scenario. One ref or another drops a clanger, a game changer, or else one of his assistants decides to let his narcolepsy get the better of him at the wrong moment... There has never been a perfectly reffed weekend. Think about how odd it is, then, that we have such vast sums of money invested in an imperfect system where the clubs with greatest luck-net-loss might be punished and relegated and subjected to financial penalties. If we look at the Wigan vs Toon game, for example (not Swansea vs Baggies... sorry lads, but there's relatively little riding on the game for either club, both should be in Europe next year (indeed you chaps will be!)), we'd have that decision not to put one side down to ten men, for the majority of the game. If the Toon win, they are practically safe on 36, with Wigan feeling the icy hand on death upon them. But alas, the laws were not applied correctly and we had to play 11 versus them (damned unsporting when we're 4 fullbacks down and playing like pansies), Wigan won and now the relegation landscape has completely changed. From ONE game! Now, in an ideal world I'd love a perfect ref (with the sexy aura of Michu, the eyes of Julia Stiles, the mouth of Rachel McAdams, the animal magnetism of Graham Poll, and 360 flipping eyes so it doesn't miss out), but would it change the game too much? It is somewhat somewhat comforting to lie to yourself after a loss with "the ref was *****"... I just don't know. As it is, we're condoning injustice. But injustice has given some of the greatest moments in footballing history, and affected relationships and games after (re- England vs Maradonna, Germany etc).
