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FIA clamp down on blown diffusers / NOT

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Di Resta is faster than u, May 17, 2011.

  1. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it will affect it too much. It should be the engine suppliers who sort the mapping out and presumably they'll only need minor modifications. They should just be able to go back to the old mapping.
     
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  2. Delete Me

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    As a red bull fan I don't want it banned, because I want vettel to win the WDC.

    As a neutral fan in the honest sense now. Still don't ban it because many teams have invested a lot of money to improve their system only for it to be pretty much banned and in the end wasted millions!

    If they do ban it, the FIA should refund the loss in full and not just screw the teams over.
     
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  3. Max Whiplash

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    Good point, Mifune, but I presume that the teams will have more knowledge about this than we do. Hopefully, the BBC team can enlighten us this weekend, get EJ on the case asking his awkward questions :)
     
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  4. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I really agree with this, especially if some of the less well off team have started exploring it. Unfortunately I don't think it'll ever happen, partly because its probably not the easiest to determine exactly how much everyone has spent (materials, staff, time, etc) and because the FIA are tight bastards.
     
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  7. genjigonzales

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    WTF?

    It's banned.

    Oh, alright, you can have it until after Canada.

    Unless someone without it doesn't want you to.

    Go Williams! Let's have USA 2005 all over again with just Williams, HRT and Virgin competing. Bring it on.


     
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  8. Forza Bianchi

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    Apparently it was Williams who initially complained about it because they are the strongest teams without the engine mapping.

    Williams - They hire Mike Coughlan and then accuse other teams of cheating <doh>
     
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  9. u408379965

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    <laugh>

    They're an absolute shambles, they've picked up the whinge-baton from McLaren and they're running like hell with it. Sort your car out, go back in time and keep Hulk, and stop whining about everyone else.
     
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  10. genjigonzales

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    GMM claims that AMuS is reporting that the 10% rule will be applied from Silverstone onwards, which gives them about seven weeks - plenty of time. I can't find it on AMuS but I didn't look terribly hard.
     
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  11. WestCoastBoogaloo

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    Haha! Fantastic comment!

    On the subject of teams who aren't running the EBD, is there any chance of HRT lodging a complaint in the hope of scoring points and gaining some much needed cash through WCC position at the end of the year? Would they risk the unilateral hatred of the entire F1 industry?

    Probably not, but I wouldn't put it past them!
     
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  12. genjigonzales

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    Like Virgin they've apparently elected not to run that engine mapping this weekend. Virgin said they're not interested in protesting anyone else but simply want to protect themselves against any protests that may occur. HRT is the only team that is not a member of FOTA.

    Charlie Whiting Q&A at Autosport.
     
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  13. genjigonzales

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    Vague rumblings of discontent at HRT blown up into mass protest by YallaF1.com.

    EDIT: Williams want clarity, not free points, Autosport reports.

    Reuters correspondent tweets:


     
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  14. genjigonzales

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    Kolles threatening to protest during Monaco weekend.

    Brundle doesn't understand difference between feeding diffuser when on throttle and feeding at 100% when off throttle.
     
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  15. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    First point: What a ****. His team offer absolutely nothing to the sport and now he's threatening to make a mockery of what many people consider to be the blue ribbon event. <grr>

    Second point: Neither do I. The exhaust gases affect the airflow of the car wherever you put them. You could just as easily argue that the internal combustion engine is a moveable aerodynamic device, as well as a waste of fuel, and demand that all the teams run off battery power.
     
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  16. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I love this quote from Horner on the issue:

     
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  17. genjigonzales

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    Maybe this is something he can give back to 'the sport' - or its governing body, at least. As a responsible authority the FIA really does have to listen to the teams if they give a reasonable explanation as to why it's going to take them six weeks to accommodate this regulation clampdown. If Charlie Whiting chooses to publicly remind the teams that they are free to protest any team that is running what he now considers an illegal system, and one (non-FOTA) team makes noises about doing just that, then those six weeks might reduce very significantly.

    It's funny but among the so-called 'casual fans' I know nobody's interested that the off-throttle blowing is illegal, and yet there's still a gripe against the 2009 Brawn GP DDD, which they consider to have been an unfair advantage even though it was ruled legal.


    I'm with the FIA on this, so I do see a difference. Burning fuel to feed the exhaust at up to 100% throttle equivalence is as bad as the first half of Q3 used to be when they got free fuel back from the FIA. It is a matter of opinion as neither situation was an illogical waste of fuel, but my opinion is that it's still a waste of fuel.

    But, yes - that's a dangerous argument to start when they burn so much fuel purely for our entertainment.
     
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  18. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Hmm, maybe Kolles should be more worried about the fact that his car is burning his driver? If he, or any of the team, actually knew about this and let Karthikeyan continue I'd like to see a strong reprimand/penalty for it. You can't let a driver continue in a car that is causing him pain, and is dangerous to his health - especially when nothing was gained from it.

    A new low for HRT in my view.
     
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  19. genjigonzales

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    Didn't that happen to Nigel Mansell once?

    Maybe it's what Christian Horner was referring to. It might have served HRT better to point their exhausts at the diffuser instead of the driver to make him hurry up.
     
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  20. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Yeh, from a quick look online a fuel leak before the race meant Mansell received first and second degree burns at the 1980 Austrian Grand Prix. He still managed 24 laps though until his engine blew.
     
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