Well obviously it's not irrelevant. I don't understand why you think theres no difference between Mcmanaman meaning to do what he did or doing it accidentally. Whether it's on the football field or not If I turned round and ACCIDENTALLY elbowed you in the face you would not react in the same way as if I'd purposely elbowed you in the face.
Well an elbow in the face, whether deliberate or accidental, isn't going to cause any long term damage is it!!!!!
While I may not agree with Whelan I think he is entitled to his point of view, having experienced the situation himself. I also am certain the referee did not see it and was honest enough to admit it. What I don't like about the whole saga, apart from the appalling injury, is that once the media start one of these bandwagons branding someone or a club a disgrace, as it is apparently unacceptable to contradict their view and let's be honest it would be pretty boring if everyone agreed and had the same opinion about everything. Take last week, my club Southampton were branded a 'disgrace' on match of the day for surrounding the referee after a very dubious last minute penalty decision. Yet no one complained with the way the Man U players greeted the Turkish referee after their Champions League defeat. Newcastle, I am sure, feel aggrieved but I get bored of the banal media black and white syndrome.
It's applicable to pretty much every injury. But If I must type it out again: Whether it's on the football field or not If dived in and ACCIDENTALLY caught you in the knee you would not react in the same way as if I'd purposely caught you in the knee. If someone does something by accident I very rarely hold it against them, almost never if I'm playing a contact sport. Obviously some cases exempt.
Well actually I think I would. I think I'd be on the ground screaming in pain either way! But if someone had caught me on the knee and I obtained serious ligament damage as a result I'd be fuming.
Come off it, now you're just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. No one reacts to things that happen on purpose in the same manor that they react to things that happen by accident. It would just be petty and daft to do so.
My bad, it's hard to judge through the internet . Does that mean I win and as such am king of the internet?
Well not in this matter it seems as it's a 3 game ban for violent conduct and 3 game ban for serious foul play.
Ha, no fortunately not. The guy deserves a 3 match ban for sure, but to illustrate my point, if he had actually intended to cause Haidara a serious injury then I'd be advocating a much more severe ban and probably jail time. 3 match ban would suffice for recklessness of that degree though.
Serious foul play can involve intent, but also no intent. Violent conduct is obviously intentional but serious foul play just has to involve excessive force, be out of control and endanger the safety of the player. Nothing about intent in the law.
Who are you to say whether it was deliberate or not? No one knows what McManaman's intentions truly were. But the lack of remorse shows he is a ****.
I think the whole intenr arguement is irrelevant in this case as there is never anyway of knowing for certain whether somebody meant it or not. If Roy Keane hadn't been as much of a Twat as he was and come out and admitted it, could we have argued that he didn't mean to hurt Haaland. For what its worth, i do think Mcmanaman went into the challenge with intentions of hurting the player, if not, why would he push his foot through, show a complete lack of remorse and not instantly hold his hands up and apologise?
Yep. This is what I think. But we can't be sure. Yes the same could be said for the Keane tackle if he hadn't admitted it.
I say 6 month ban for career ending tackles like that. If you did that on the street you'd be in prison. No excuse at all.
