This may have been the case last season when Sven made us a laughing stock by spending about £15m on expensive flops and players of questionable attitude but most of those have been shipped out or loaned out and Nige has built his on own team of young players on a budget. Hull, Cardiff and Forest have all spend more than us this season, Palace have only avoiding doing so by selling their best asset - who still plays for them by the way - and we all know what Watford have done to avoid spending money. I'm not getting into wages because none of us really know. We're not the only club with rich owners so why assume we're paying more than other? Do you really thing Watford's Serie A boys are players for beans, for instance? The truth is Sven played **** or bust last season and Nige has had to pick up the pieces while building a very good squad with obvious financial restrictions that our rivals haven't had (apart from shaping up for FFP). It may not pay off this season - let's face it, it would have been almost miraculous if it did, Sven left such a mess - but we are certainly moving in the right direction for the first time since - well, since Nige was here last. There are some good managers without a club at the moment and that grass over yonder always looks appetising but ask yourself, as it gone sufficiently wrong for Nigel to lose his job? While we still have a chance of promotion I for one would say absolutely not. Whether owners think the same is anyone's guess - this situation is as good a test of them as it is of Pearson, the players and the fans. And regarding fans of "other" clubs, well we all know why the Hull fans want Nige to fail - despite claims they don't care about him anymore. There's the occasional Cardiff muppet that forgets there's still plenty of time for them to bottle it and obviously the Forest fans would have loved the last few weeks. I don't care about these idiots but what does annoy me are the knee-jerk Leicester fans that act like the first 29 games of the season never happened that that the season is over now - only the last nine matches count (which, by the way, include three very good performances at Blackpool, Cardiff and at home against Blackburn). These people only make the situation worse, particularly when they turn to booing their own players. I know it's frustrating at times but acting like a child that can't have it's way is, quite frankly, embarrassing.
You say you are not getting into wages - yet that is the only transparent measure obvious from a set of financial statements! - Now yes other clubs will also have big wage bills too but our ability to attract 'good young players' is directly proportional to the wages we are prepared to offer ...
Transparent? So you know what we pay in comparison to other clubs then? I'd like to see this information. I don't think we necessarily have any special "ability to attract good young players" outside of Pearson's reputation, a good relationship with Man U and ambitious owners. There's lots of good young players all around the Championship, I don't think the ones we have any any better paid that those at other clubs. It's pretty clear that Pearson set out early to get rid of our higher earners like Danns, Beckford and Mills. It would be extremely unlikely he would then bring in young, relatively untested players on similar wages - that's just common sense. I would wager that Nugent, Kasper and Konchesky are among the top five earners at our club still. Transfer fees aren't everything obviously and they can reflect other factors such as how long remains on a contract but they do give you a good idea of the value of a player, which in turn will give you a good idea of how much they're on.
It's in your accounts, your wage bill last year was £28m, double the average for the league and the high earners that you've mentioned are still your players(other than Mills). You won't have the highest wage bill in the league, I suspect that honour goes to Blackburn, but you're still going to be up around the top of the list.
If your taking action for termination of employment, then taking up a new job massively reduces your claim, as you are deemed to not be suffering any financial loss from the sacking. It's the reason Curbishley has been unemployed for so long, he wouldn't take up another job, for the two years he was fighting for compensation from West Ham.
As you said, that's for last year. The only high earners from last year that we're paying the full wages of are the three I mentioned and (God, I hope I'm wrong) St Ledger. Last years wage bill would also have included Bamba, Abe, Pantsil, Johnson, Fernandes, Ball, Delfouneso and Peltier, all of whose would have been on tidy amounts. We've also trimmed the squad quite extensively, with the likes of Oakley, Tunchev, Howard, Berner, Moussa, Weale, Moreno, Kennedy and Vassell all going. And Pearson as also loaned out many of the bench-warmers who Sven would have sat in the stands and taking the money, such as Gallagher, Wellens, Futacs, Moore and obviously Danns and Beckford. People are just guessing, we won't really know until this time next year but I'd expect the books to look much more reasonable.
it is either written in the stars or it is the fault of the manager.I do not believe things are written in the stars. NP fully responsible.Rules is rules.All the "I am a scrapper" nonsense will not impress people-will it? 1 mill per year-time is up
Nigel to be paid off eh ? Is that why the LMA have now given up on Saints and NA is taking Saints to court ? Sad but true. Nigel appears happy to wait until the summer and see what jobs are about. Why does he need to rush into a train wreck that is Reading and Lesta ? IMO, TWS looks likely for Adkins in the summer. Closer to his home as well. TWT like.
.. ask and you shall receive ... took me about 20 minutes this morning - from latest publicly available accounts (note - most are 2012 except for Brighton and Palace which are 2011 (but very likely to around the same mark) Brighton £6.1 million (accounts to June 2011) Cardiff £18.5 millon (accounts to May 2012) Crystal Palace £8.1 million (accounts to June 2011) Hull £16.9 million (accounts to July 2012) Leicester City £24.2 million (accounts to May 2012) Nottingham Forest £15.4 million (accounts to May 2012) Watford £8.8 million (accounts to June 2012)
If you get Adkins, you will have one hell of a damn good manager & a top bloke. Sorely missed at Saints.
That is still last season though, I think Gangsta wants this seasons information but I don't think thats available.
Won't be publicly available yet for sure - companies generally have 9 months after the end of the accounting period to file their accounts at Companies House - but I would be very surprised if any of the teams I included have changed dramatically in terms of in comparison to each other - and the real point is that we will still have spent considerably more than most if not all of these teams on wages under Nigel's tenure .. and they are the cold facts that the Thai's will be looking at - they did not appoint Nigel merely to curb the wage bill, they appointed him to take us up ... end of.
The spending for this season will be nothing like last season's Alot of high earners have are no longer with us And transfer fee wise I reckon we have only spent 2-3M after the fee's we received for Mills, Bamba and Peltier are taken into account
Proud - would be nice if you were right but I very much doubt it ... I expect our wage bill when published to be around the same mark and possibly higher ... I suspect Chris Wood is being paid more than Matt Mills was....
Brighton have filed accounts for 2012, but for some reason nobody seems to have reported the contents, but as they currently value the club at -£30m, I suspect the wage bill has increased substantially. I can find nothing on the Palace accounts, other than the manager saying the wage bill for this season started at over £2m higher than the previous season and as they've signed a few since, so I think there's will be quite high now too.
Adkins doesn't have to jump in does he? I can't see why he would choose to go to an almost certain to be relegated Reading (who might have to sell some of their better players in the summer to balance the books) when he could take over somewhere like Leicester, Wolves or TWS - all of whom could be stronger next year. I'm no fan of square head, but I don't see any benefit in a club sacking a manager at this stage of the season. Might as well see the campaign out with who you've got and if you ain't happy at the end of the season then that's the time to change it.
Fully agree - the only additional point I would make is that if Adkins is offered our job shortly it is a shot to nothing - he'd then take the credit for 'turning the ship around' if it ended in promotion and if we should fail it will be viewed as 'too little too late' and therefore not his fault ... which is one reason why it makes for such speculative journalism ...
Thanks for the effort FF but as AKCJ said I asked for what I knew full well was currently unattainable but people treat as if it was public knowledge. The evidence you've provided just shows how maverick Sven was but we all know that already. Besides, if we're looking at last season we need to compare to the sides that went up and the other play-off sides that didn't (Brum, West Ham and Blackpool were all former Prem sides) - sides like Watford, Palace and Brighton finished nowhere last season and Hull's expenditure has gone up considerably this season while ours would have dropped (although Forest's may well have gone down too). You say the status quo wouldn't have changed much but I disagree and I have provided reasons in my last post why I think our situation certainly would have changed. Let's face it, Sven ****ed us up on and off the field, from bringing in disruptive elements, players based on former, long gone glories and giving these people ridiculous contracts. Nige as come in, got rid of the bad attitudes and has got rid or loaned out (where he can't get rid) the under-performing high-earners while at the same time bringing in young potential on more reasonable contracts, many of whom have already before improved, sellable assets. All this AND we've got the best chance of promotion since... oh yes, since he was last here. It's no wonder he gets grumpy with fans that have a pop at him. They seem to have no idea how much he's done for this club in the last year and a half and are only interested in the fact that we've lost five in the last nine. I only see us going one way under Pearson, whether that be this season or next, and that's up. Under Sven we were heading for bankruptcy and under another manager... well, that would obviously be land unknown. The last time we did that, we ended up with a "promising young manager" called Sousa. And that went really well.
