I would disagree but it would be pointless. You have a point and maybe it is a combination of both factors.
I will give you lot credit where due and I don't see a change in the power anytime soon unless a good manager gets in at City and is given funds. However don't you think that with this period of dominance and with a manager like Fergie in charge the owners should be backing him more and making sure that you are challenging in Europe? There must be money available, shouldn't Utd be in for the best players in the world season after season and not just winning leagues but also winning or at least getting close to Europen Cups?
I think the problem we've had, which is one I've said before, is that we need to be pushed domestically in order to stay sharp enough in the CL. The European seasons we do best in tend to be the ones where we have had to fight for the title - Arsenal's double winners in 99 and a strong Chelsea side in 07 and 08. When we have seasons like this one, we don't have the same sharpness in Europe cos we have a nice little stroll in the PL. We had the same problem in 00, 01 and 03 when we walked the latter part of the league then failed to compete in Europe. As for spending money, I honestly don't think SAF wants to. He seems to genuinely not want to turn the PL into another form of La Liga or the SPL where the top teams just piss all over the others. He thrives on the competition in the league, and making us the new Galacticos would destroy the PL as a competitive spectacle. Hell, we only had to buy one world class player to turn it into a cakewalk (thus far!!) this season, imagine the PL if we bought a world class player every year? Tho' I think the comment that we should be getting close to European Cups is wrong - we've come closer than anyone bar Barca in the last eight or nine years. Bayern, Real, City, Chelsea, Inter and Milan have all been behind us in terms of consistent success. Last year was a bad blip, and we got a tough draw this year but it's simply not as easy to compete in the CL every season like it was in the EC. Even Barca haven't managed consecutive finals thus far, and they're a fair way better than anyone else.
Gonzo, if the manager doesn't have the money he doesn't have the money. Fergie seems to be ridiculed by the bitter and the moronic for failing to compete with bigger spending clubs in a cup competition that requires a lot of luck to win and yet he's given virtually no credit for dominating a domestic league on a budget that doesn't compare to two other clubs. Seeing as you are seemingly one of the very few Liverpool fans without an agenda driven by 80's gloryhunting disillusionment, do you really think that we were played off the park by a Real team that only lead the tie once we were reduced to ten men? Is this United team worse than the Chelsea side that won the CL last season?
Drivel. Our stats since jan prove that, also that squad played you off the park until Halsey put his boot in tbf. No denying you're the best team this year by a margin and no denying we need work but pu-lease stop talking drivel you assembled from various lunatic tidbits
Ok so your team is good enough for the top 4 why arn't you anywhere near that in the league standings? Its not your squad as you just said, is it BR, Refs, the FA?
like how they all discuss BR getting tactics ect wrong when clearly the problem is there squad isn't good enough to actually get into the top 4, it doesn't matter what they do with those players they are going to get beat regularly enough. You forget already what you typed? Really? ^ this is it. First bit, Brendan clearly did in this case, only someone who doesn't understand tactics would say that, even so the players were not good at all that day but bad tactics can make it far worse. second bit, we don't get beat regularly enough, plenty of clean sheets and playing much better for most games than the start of last season and this crap squad played you off the park at Anfield and went down at OT to an offside Vidic goal as well as Sturridge missing a sitter to square the game up, which makes your 2nd bit nonsense seeing as we've a new manager and all else going on. More clean sheets than United? and the league's top scorer by a brace. Yep, nonsense, you've actually offered nothing but baseless opinions. You can always come back with, Yeah but we're top of the league
You have lost 9 times in the leauge so far, thats regular enough almost a 3rd of your games. I understand tactics very well but you're missing my point, i don't think your squad is good enough to challenge the top 4 no matter what tactics you come out with, which i'm sure most neutrals would agree. You called this drivel so i asked what are the reasons you are not in the top 4 because if its not your squad it must be something else thats harming Liverpool. Picking on 1 game against us is also not vey representative of the season as a whole either and what do clean sheets matter if you outscore your opponent. Not at all a 4-1 win is much better than a 1-0?
Style, you're 100% right! You are so wrong I feel comfortable saying that If you are intent on believing your own nonsense, who am I to educate you to the contrary, common sense should have done the job already.
agreed, i don't even know why all them scousers still going on about 4-1 loss, at the end of that season, Sir Alex had the last laugh and that result didn't really mean anything because we beat them and won the league. After that season, after we beat them to the league was the start of their downfall in the league, they lost one of their best players Alonso and then tried to replace him with that yossi beneyoun guy which was a terrible signing. I believe another reason of their downfall because since that season is after that season Chelsea, Man City and Spurs got stronger and another reason is their manager, they never had a fantastic manager, i believe their squad is atleast stronger then Arsenal's but still end up finishing below them.
So you have the leagues top scorer and more clean sheets than the team that is walking away with the league, what do you think is going wrong?
this is how deluded you scousers are, Vidic's goal wasn't offside, he was just about onside, not offside, when Van Persie took the free kick, Vidic was on, When Evra put his head on the ball, Evra was ahead of Vidic, so how can vidic be offside? no matter what happens Liverpool are now mid table club, you will NEVER get in the top four, never ever!
agreed, just because they got a top scorer on their side it doesn't mean they are any good. they do have the top scorer and they are making big deal out of it, Where are Liverpool in the league? how are they doing? surely if they got the top scorer they should be in the top four. i know its hard for them scousers to admit but it is time for them to accept the truth that Liverpool are a mid table club.
We've had one bad season in Europe, last season, otherwise we do challenge every year, including this. We've reached finals and semi finals regularly otherwise and while I agree we should have won at least one more, that doesn't mean we haven't been nearly there and we certainly do aspire to it. We just tend to **** it up really, that competition is open and often a lottery which can come down to a mistake or bit of good/bad luck. We are pissing this league, the rest have got some catching up to do. Miles ahead with our average midfield! For all our ageing squad, it's worked a treat and what makes anyone think that there won't be another player, maybe two, to come in this summer?
No, when I can't explain something I say I can't explain it, like when I can't explain why you talk rubbish and refuse to see any argument to the contrary. I can explain why I will not discuss football with you, because you don't read posts with more than 10 lines, and are just waiting for your chance to reply rather than debating anything. You use silly absolutes and barely hide your bile towards anything Liverpool. Me, I'm having a fresh start, these are wum threads so when in Rome. You won't find me on football discussion threads taking the mick but on these kind of threads I would assume it's all air game. But Pu-lease don't be dribbling because I won't subscribe to your rantings let alone reply, I tried to make you see why you are wrong but it is not possible, any well put argument will make you annoyed And,.. Your typical conduct turns threads into tedious nonsense for all those reading. So I opted out. Besides I gave my word not to get into it with some of you, and I plan to keep my word. So you can carry on this by yourself I fear for the quality of the modern ship em in ship em out public education system
