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Discussion in 'Celtic' started by Rustie bugmuncher, Mar 16, 2013.

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  1. DevAdvocate

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    That makes sense AP. <ok>
     
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    Ooh... Are we getting into "traditional route" territory?

    (I'm playing Devils Advocate for a change instead of Dick Advocate)
     
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    I still think they are tadgers Reb and whilst I don't agree that groups of people should be freely allowed to march around the city without lawful permission, to make some point (which seems to have been wholly undermined by their own willful ignorance of the rule of law) I do agree with AP that the Police reaction and planning to deal with a bunch of truculent teens who were on their way to the football anyway, was somewhat over the top.

    A vanful of coppers would have probably done the job, and then reinforcements could have been called if needed.
     
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    And I'd be coming at it from the other direction that I'd naturally side with the GB on this.

    The cops say they offered the way out (march the pavement). I find it difficult to accept that such a compromise wouldn't be accepted. If it was offered, then it was foolhardy not to accept.

    Having such numbers on hand seems a little too contrived to me.

    This isn't a black and white issue. Imo neither side is 100% right/wrong. The consensus (on here at any rate) appears to reflect that. Whatever was done wrong by the GB was met with a disproportionate response.

    This clip is probably a good illustration of that point.

    [video=youtube;jKOdcC69Mfo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKOdcC69Mfo&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]
     
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    I think the Cameraman's (I assume) comments have made up my mind for me. Standing shouting abuse at the Police serves no purpose and if he had been lifted, no doubt he would have said he had done nothing wrong either.

    As for the lad being arrested, 15 year old or not he was clearly resisting arrest and sometimes that takes several coppers, unfortunately that always looks bad to people who have never had experience in such matters, but the Police's main focus is on ensuring that the person being lifted does not harm them or himself.

    If the off camera commentator thinks that's Police Brutality or the Police's tactics will somehow become damning evidence in a court of law then he is clearly a moron.
     
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    I'm leaning towards agreeing.

    I saw it on another site and heard the comments. I thought I must have missed something.

    It isn't so much how the arrest was affected, rather the decision to do so in the first instance and the numbers thrown at the situation in general.

    Proportionality got missed out here somewhere. It would be easy to point towards other, larger illegal marches by football supporters that were policed more proportionately and resulted in the restoration of public order just as well, if not better.
     
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  7. DevAdvocate

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    I don't think people who say they saw no reason to lift GB members know what they are talking about. I've seen it a million times, people who were not there, usually parents, "But my boy told me he never done nuttin".
     
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    Not that there is no reason, just an argument over proportionality.
     
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    Ye's are aw mental.
     
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    You're mentalerer.
     
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    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Yep. Known for it in norf lanarkshur. Ther aw feart ov me. And rightly so.
     
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    Wasn't Sandy Jardines march on Hampden also an "illegal" march?

    The police have been trying to jail GB members all year...and have been failing

    The actions of the police appear to be aimed at provoking GB members into committing an offence that will stick

    It's alleged that the police officers had their badge numbers covered up. That makes their actions sinister if true

    Thank God one of the Celtic fans wasnt selling newspapers...
     
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    Yes. That was the one I was referring to. Not to show bias, not to score points, not to make this an us vs them thing, but just to demonstrate that these things can be effectively policed without hunners of feds, without the need to make arrests etc etc etc.


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    Clearly the green brigade deliberately choose to not wear brown brogues for their march.
     
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    You know all this for a fact - having seen it regularly for yourself? My post was not as narrow as the focus you have placed on it so maybe you should also read it again a little more carefully as, given the rest of your response, you appear to have misinterpreted it ... although that was maybe deliberately done?
     
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  17. Rustie bugmuncher

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    illegal march or not i thought the police were out of order. they knew all about the march given the amount of coppers who were on hand and i believe their firm intention was solely to lift as many GB members as possible.

    as for the video i agree with dev that if someone is resisting arrest then more police will be needed and that it would look bad, however, what had the young lad done wrong? i don't know so if he had genuinely been out of order then fair enough.

    overall i think the police reaction was way over the top
     
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    You're a proper mental case mindy <laugh>
     
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  19. monacoger

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    I was under the impression that the Rangers march had been given permission, in saying that I am only quoting somebody from one of the comments from the link.
     
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  20. EspaniaCelt

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    Fair enough Mick but maybe middle-aged conservatism is just the inevitable result of getting old/er and losing the idealism and energy of youth?

    I know very little about the GB so cannot comment specifically on what their grievances are about. I would certainly not liken their march/es to any major cause or civil unrest but on a more general note, however, the idea that every protest march should be based on the rules or regulations set by the establishment does not sit wholly comfortable with me. What about protests against the very establishment itself. The days of internment without trial in your own native country, the hunger strikes etc etc., - were there not many 'illegal' marches in those days which in part at very least made the world at large outside of the UK aware of injustices perpetrated against the minority population. Maybe your comments were specifically aimed at the GB 'illegal' march which may or may not be fair but I don't see how, as a general rule, you could believe that every protest march should conform to what the establishment determines?
     
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