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The Official Not606 Australian GP Chat + Predictions 2013!!!

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Mar 4, 2013.

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Somebody Sandbagging???

Poll closed Mar 14, 2013.
  1. Sebastian Vettel - A Master on His Bull, Unstoppable Again?

    35.0%
  2. Mark Webber - Same Machinery Though Time is Running Out

    2.5%
  3. Jenson Button - Likes it Round Albert Park

    17.5%
  4. Sergio Perez - Serious Contender

    5.0%
  5. Fernando Alonso - 4th Time Lucky?

    17.5%
  6. Felipe Massa - Getting Back to 2008 Spec?

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Kimi Raikkonen - I like Sleeping

    5.0%
  8. Romain Grosjean - I Didn't See Him I Promise

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Nico Rosberg - About to be Destroyed?

    2.5%
  10. Lewis Hamilton - A new Start?

    15.0%
  11. Nico Hulkenberg - Remember Brazil Last Year?

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Esteban Gutierrez - An Apt Replacement for Kamui?

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. Paul Di Resta - (Beat Vettel) Remember That.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  14. Adrian Sutil - (GBH)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Pastor Maldonado - (Changed His Ways?)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Eat Sleep Watch F1 Repeat

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    He'll usually tell us why Red Bull are the best team ever with the fastest car ever and how Vettel will go 10 seconds quicker than anybody else... <whistle>
     
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  2. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member
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    We could do with abit of CC insight!
     
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  3. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    I expect we'll get some when he's awake :)
     
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  4. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    And usually he is right!! <wah>
     
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  5. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    Wrong!!!

    He tells us why the Red Bull is not the fastest car out there (even 2011, yes really!!) and its all Vetel and we all hate him becuase of it :)
     
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  6. JonnyBaws

    JonnyBaws Well-Known Member

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    In all seriousness, would Vettel have got to within 3pts of winning the title in a Ferrari? I personally doubt it.
    I like the young German, but driving a RedBull hasn't really hurt his chances over the last few years.
     
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  7. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member
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    International who's posted championship:

    El_Bando 114
    EternalMSC 91
    Kyle? 60
    MaxWhiplash 56
    BLS 49

    Who will win? You decide!
     
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  8. JonnyBaws

    JonnyBaws Well-Known Member

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    I think EMsc's got a few posts in him... between the top two if you ask me!
     
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  9. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Haha, same here. I think the person who brings most technical insight is Forza.

    I just get excited very quickly and tend to post what I feel.
     
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  10. Di Resta is faster than u

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    Or they could have not had pull rod at all and just evolved the fastest car and been championship contenders from race 1.

    Hit a development roof?
    Well it doesn't seem to have have hurt Red-Bull in 2012 which was an evolution of the 2011 car which was an evolution of the 2010 car which was an evolution of the 2009 car.

    McLaren insist on making a new car each year which just means they gradually catch upto Red-Bull only to deliberately put themselves further behind again.

    If they just did an evolution for once they could be on it
     
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  11. JonnyBaws

    JonnyBaws Well-Known Member

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    Forums need people luck us!!!
    Agreed, members like Forza, Cosi and Silver add value to the forum..
     
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  12. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member
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    I think strategy could be really interesting. James Allen reckoned the mediums will last 20ish laps, the SS's 6-8 laps. Race is 58 laps.

    Ideally, you'd want to do 24-25 laps in 2 stints on mediums, and finish on the super softs. But, pushing the scrubbed set from qualifying to lap 25 could cost you a lot of lap time. If you do any less then you're looking at a 28 lap second stint, which is practically half race distance, and a lot more than their estimated life. Perez might be able to make it work, but I can't see, say, Hamilton making it work.

    Another idea could be to start on the super softs, and go SS-M-M-SS. The pit time is long, but it'd allow a driver to push for most of the race, and pit when the tyres begin to get bad, rather than playing the conservation game. Ideally I'm hoping for a mix of strategies, with some going all-out, but having to force their way through traffic, in order to catch the front-runners.

    Or, the tyres will be far more hard-wearing than everyone thinks, and the whole debate will be moot.
     
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  13. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    The last car worthy of a WCC for mclaren was their 2007 car. That was an evolution of the 2006 car
     
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  14. marklarmergerbilfarmer

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    well yeah that was my original thought anyway, i don't believe for a second there's a point in an F1 cars development where you just have to essentially start all over again, or make a huge number of changes in one go, its just seems like a desperate thing to do, especially when it was one of the quickest cars out there last year. Also if the cars a wreck to drive its just going to chew through tires as well i imagine.
     
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  15. Di Resta is faster than u

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    Yeah I think 2006-8 was the last time they did the whole evolutionary thing and as a result 07/08 was their best period in the last decade so I really can't see why they don't do that anymore when it clearly worked for them and is currently working wonders for Red-Bull.

    The 2012 car was worthy of a WCC but of course Button was slow and Hamilton was unlucky.

    I just hope in the new regulations McLaren go back to doing the evolutions
     
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  16. Di Resta is faster than u

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    We are clearly on the same page on this. I suggest we team up and replace Whitmarsh. What do you say?
     
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  17. JonnyBaws

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    Cheeta of Tarzan fame couldn't do any worse?
     
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  18. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    To me it seems ever since the F-Duct idea they have been trying to be the ones who come up with the next big thing but fail to do so. Though some ideas have been good they dont work on it for the following years. Also I dont think they have fully solved their front downforce issue they have had since 2009.
     
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  19. DHCanary

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    Not sure I agree with this, it depends how much potential you think is left in a car. If by the end of the season Mclaren were having to develop just as hard for 0.05 secs as they were at the beginning for 0.2 seconds, then the improvement in you car is going to be slower, so you're more likely to lose a development battle. But, if you re-design from the ground up, fixing any inherent flaws you've found in your last design, you should have a quicker car than last season, and more room to develop, at least in theory.

    With Mclaren this season, they'll have sorted out last years problems, but in doing so have created a new set. At the moment they aren't sure how to solve them, so it'll take a few races before they can nail set-up, and start competing properly. When they do, their rate of development will (probably) be the fastest of their immediate competition. It all depends on how long it takes. If Red Bull, Ferrari, Lotus and Mercedes are really equal for the first 4-5 races, they'll all take points off each other, so Mclaren won't have too many points to catch up when they have the dominant car. If Red Bull have 5 1-2's before Mclaren get the car sorted, then the season could be over for them before it's begun.
     
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  20. marklarmergerbilfarmer

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    ok, i'm packing my things now and i'll meet you at the track in a few hours...

    lol, but yeah seriously McLaren guys, just bring the old car for Perez to drive or something at the next race, at least he might have more of a chance at getting in the points.

    As i said earlier the "development" of this car will probably just be randomly undoing alot of the changes they've made, or just obsessing over making the pull rod suspension work even if the car is slower because of it.
     
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