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The Friday debate: Ghosts

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Shameless, Mar 14, 2013.

  1. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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  2. Shameless

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    Everything we have achieved has been supported by objective evidence supported by scientific rigour. Given the nature of our earth it's interesting that the entities within it behave in a similar manner to a computer programme (just ask an object-oriented programmer). Look at the development over the last 10 years of Sim City CD's to virtual dollar economies with real value and virtual sex with entities that only have a reality in 111's and 000's and text from an anonymous keyboard.

    The riddle to the meaning of life could be that we don't actually 'exist' and reality has been defined by articial intelligence in the form of a computer programme from our own future... oh **** it, if anyone wants to cyber? pm me xx <ok>

    (for online text and video feed chat at normal rates, look me up: #wetknickersj2a on 'icq_encrytionlevel2')
     
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  3. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United Staff Member

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    Existence is a funny thing. You can believe that God created the whole shooting match, or that at one time all the matter in the universe was at the same place, before exploding in the biggest bang possible. Or that God created the whole thing using the big bang. Either way, you have a hard job finding empirical proof that God exists or explaining how intelligent life came to be formed from a massive explosion. As Fred Hoyle said, it's like a tornado ran through a scrap yard and knocked together a jumbo jet, i.e. pretty unlikely.

    Interestingly, atheists will never know if they're right, but religious types will be able to have a gloat (work it out).
     
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    ... I do believe in spooks
     
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    What about the true 'Cauld lad 'story, about a bloke who walked to his house, got to his door and the 'bloke' who he was talking to he turned around to say tara as he opened his front door and he was gone !. That was in Hylton castle.
     
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    He probably just walked around the corner and that's why he was 'gone' and quickly out of sight.
     
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    <laugh> religion has been losing the argument since Gallileo and Copernicus, science has demystified quite a lot since then <ok>
     
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  8. nomoregeordies

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    To my eyes science has demystified nothing
     
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  9. Shameless

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    Answer me one simple question: do you believe that Santa Claus is a tangeable being that delivers Christmas presents from the sky?

    >>>> in fact, there's no need to answer that, however, I'm making an assumption here that you are a rational thinking person <laugh>

    ...answer this please: why do you think Santa Claus is not real?
     
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  10. Rick O'Shea

    Rick O'Shea Well-Known Member

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    Science can only do so much. It can't necessarily demystify something that doesn't exist in the same temporal and spatial realm. Its like trying to measure fizzy pop with a protractor.

    Any scientist worth their salt would say 'we simply don't know'.
     
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  11. Rick O'Shea

    Rick O'Shea Well-Known Member

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    Mystic Meg told me we'll win.

    Obviously she didn't physically tell me...
     
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  12. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Never thought about it like that...ah well, I still fancy my chances.

    By this same logic, ultra-religious people will never get the chance to establish they've spent their whole lives with their faces pressed against the floor for nowt. Meanwhile Atheists can sit in their death bed and reminisce about all the times they had their Sam Fox daily sport selection spread out on their duvet, knowing fine well that nobody was watching as they turned the bitch to paper mache.
     
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  13. nomoregeordies

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    obviously not its things like santa claus that let religion die eg thou shalt not lie then lying about santa claus and saying jesus was crucified in agony for your sins as a christian tribute a pretend rabbit has delivered you some chocolate eggs. Now if I was JESUS (Iam not btw) despite what posters on here may think that would really make me angry and I would come back as an angry Jesus sort of Jesus 2 STARRING sLYVESTER stallone and he's not fcking about this time, getting really annoyed with christians for wearing crucifixes as he things they taking the piss out of them/ however, still science has proved nothing to me but in fairness neither has religion
     
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  14. MrRAWhite

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    Regarding religion, I have nothing against people who believe that a superior being may exist..However, I do have a problem with people believing that books that have been written and adapted by man over the centuries are actually the written words of a superior being, and live their lives and try to persuade others to as well, according to the words in these books...
    Bloody crazy man!!
     
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  15. MackemsRule

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    Once again I'm expected to prove something that doesn't exist, doesn't exist.


    The onus isn't on me to provide evidence of something that isn't there, common sense does that very well.
    The onus is on the claimer to prove it does exist.
    And no I'm not claiming people aren't seeing things, they are.
    But it is all happening inside their heads.
    Or misidentification.


    Which when it comes down to it is more believable than SHY ghosts.
    Having faith in something doesn't mean it is fact.


    Just so you know, when I was about nine my Aunt who I was very close too, died suddenly.
    That same night I woke and saw her at the bottom of my bed.
    And ran down stairs scared to my Mam and Dad who were watching TV.
    The next day my brother who shared the room with me, said he saw me sitting up in bed and staring toward the door.
    For years I was adamant I had really seen her.
    As I got older common sense told me my mental state at the time created the image.
    As if their had been a ghost my brother would have seen it too.


    Russel made a similar point about the proving of something that isn't there, with his "Celestial Teapot".
    If a man claims, out in space is a teapot, that orbits the Sun between the Earth and Mars, it is nonsensical for him to expect others to believe him, on the grounds that THEY cannot prove him wrong. This still holds true today.


    Carl Sagan also stated. "Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true."


    It's the same with GOD, the godbotherers expect none believers to prove God doesn't exist.
    God was invented by man to explain things they couldn't with their knowledge at that time.
    Don't forget they invented Gods other than the Christian one, millennia before hand.
    The reason the Christian God lasted out?
    The power of it's early believers and being able to FORCE THEIR beliefs on others.
    The Moslem's are still using intimidation to this day, to force their beliefs on others.


    Scientology was invented by a broke SciFi writer with the soul intention of making money.
    Unbelievably there are people all over the world now subscribe to this religion of beings in volcano's as fact.
    This all stems from the belief instilled in us since birth that there has to be some guiding force ie. intelligence in the Universe.


    Me?
    I will trust in science and empirical evidence.

    As people all over the World are becoming more and more educated the belief and reliance on God as a crutch is lessening annually AS IS PROVED by churches closing regularly and the ones that are open having tiny congregations.

    SCIENCE KILLED GOD!


    Back to ghosts.


    Every scientific study has never "corroborated" any claim of the existence of ghosts.
    The claims of temperature drops have been disproved by scientists using actual scientific measuring instruments.
    Not the cobbled together crap the "Ghost Hunters" use. Or eye witness claims.
    Any time scientists are present nothing ever happens either visually or atmospherically.
    The believers excuse for this?????
    The negative vibes the scientists are giving off.


    Same with all the psychics and spoon benders.
    None stand up to scientific scrutiny, or in the case of Uri Geller the scrutiny of other magicians.
    I love the way Gellers believers, ignore the fact he was a pretty **** stage magician at home in Israel. And that he wont do his TRICKS in front of other magicians or, scientists without an agenda.


    That old hag psychic is still filling out theatres around the country, even though it was proved she was using plants and doing research (including listening devices) on the people she was giving these psychic messages too.
    The peoples faith is outweighing their common sense they WANT to believe she is really talking to the dead.
     
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  16. MrRAWhite

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    [video=youtube;HoJveRDptDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HoJveRDptDs[/video]
     
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  17. MackemsRule

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    Of course I have memories they are stored in my brain in the areas of the brain allocated for that storage, in cells surrounded by chemicals and electrical impulses. They come from the fact my brain stored them for future reference. Just like the memories of certain times in my past have disappeared never to return, probably because I haven't had a specific reason to recall them in my past, so they don't get renewed and fizzle away.

    "give me the proof of what makes you think, reason and form ideas, have the ability to argue and feel emotions."
    I'm THINKING whilst typing this reply using REASON and IDEAS from my memory, to form my ARGUMENT, whilst feeling EMOTIONALLY frustrated.!

    They are learning more and more facts about the brain on a daily basis.

    Just like they are creating computers now that can reason!
    They are also researching improving computers, even using cellular structures instead of the hard-wired present ones.

    Going back to the basic origins of the brain with a couple of cells warning of danger or safe.
    That basic brain would have recorded these warnings for future survival.
    Over time the brain had to expand to cope with the evolution of eyes.
    Every step of the way the brain has evolved to cope with us evolving from a few cells to the incredible mass of cells we are today.

    As Billy stated about his problems, because of chemical imbalances in his brain.
    But SCIENTISTS by doing research and hard graft have found by using other chemicals (Drugs) some of these problems can be helped. (Including electrical stimuli.)
    And sadly not all brain problems have been solved.
    Do they claim to know all the answers?
    No of course not but they are learning more every day with FACTS.


    I have video tapes going back to its first consumer introduction.
    That amazes me, a long strip of magnetic coated plastic strip stores everything in detail that I couldn't hope to recall with my brain.
    Then there's present day we take for granted computers and their vast memory capabilities.
    And as Shameless said all the photographs and videos and documents I have stored on tiny bits of plastic with a miniscule computer chip on, made from silicone, are stored as billions of ONES and ZEROES.
    This is just as fantastic to me as the workings of the brain.

    You state "I don't have the answers or proof literal that we do any of the above things but we do."


    You do have proof, other people can see you reasoning or listen to your reasoning.
    Love is just a word, yet people can see when you show your love for someone.
    Sadly some people have brain imbalances where they can't feel or show emotions.
    The proof is there for all to see.

    Of course there are things science can't YET explain.
    But saying something is real and expecting it to be accepted as real, it has to be proven.
     
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  18. MackemsRule

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    Hahahaha brilliant Reg. <ok>


    On theme I'm going through what was in my mind whilst watching.
    First was it's FUNNY.
    Then how CRUEL it was to the people.
    Then what if someone gave the kid a dig. hahaha
     
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  19. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United Staff Member

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    Blimey MR, that's a lot of typing!

    Explain it all to me again....:)
     
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  20. MrRAWhite

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    There is a similar one on utube where someone actually does kick **** out of the kid before they can stop him..
     
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