What does being an "internationally rated professional" have to do with playing in a position he doesn't have the attributes for? If Rodgers was playing Lucas or Carragher on the wing and they started struggling, would you really be surprised and blame the player for not being able to adapt instead of blaming the manager for picking them in an inappropriate position?
He claims he's a defensive midfielder yet he showed absolutely nothing during his time on the pitch ( and probably in training) to show that he had what it takes in the Premiership and was a better option than either Gerrard and Lucas. That's the point I'm making. As a Liverpool player I would want him to at least offer something even when playing out of position. Sahin did not.
Called it from the start. I don't get it, how was he out of position? He's a CM and we played in at CM. Its not like BR asked him to play left wing or right back, just excuses for being **** and not trying
He is a DM. He played DM at Dortmund and at Real Madrid, and he plays DM now. Just because he didn't show anything from the 10 role doesn't mean he cant do it. Its like buying a striker, then playing him as a goalkeeper and telling him to "prove" that he can make it as a striker. It just isn't where he's ever played or can play. AM is a lot different than DM. AM do not create or break up play. They continue play into offensive positions by being dynamic and running, neither of which Sahin has ever excelled at. A simple scout could tell you that. DM, where Sahin didn't play for us, requires a lower range of running and more vision. Think Xabi Alonso. Alonso would have been **** at AM. Too slow and not enough space to launch attacks. BR failed in this experiment, not Sahin. Allen was picked because Allen had cost 12m and BR needed to justify it (not having a go at Allen, I rate him but it was painfully obvious he wasn't in the side on merit for a while). Sahin should have played DM with Hendo and Gerrard ahead during the period where Lucas was out. This was obvious to all. Instead Shelvey got a ton of chances as well as Henderson. At the time we could see that Rodgers was pushing versatility, players out of position. I think he realised as well as we did that it was hurting our game. That was too late for Nuri, best of luck to him. Also, thanks be to god is a habitual saying by turks, its similar to "thankfully" or just said after everything. He isn't stupid to offend the manager like that.
The fact that he's played at DM does not mean that he was good enough to play the DM role in the Premiership. Neither does it suggest that he impressed enough to challenge either Gerrard or Lucas. Now you may feel that he has the skill. If so then he lacked the application. Either way it is our gain that he is no longer with us. Sahin was not outstanding enough and that was the true bottom line.
I think everyone is missing the fact that even though Sahin was played out of position, he should have played out of skin and adapted in order to get into the team. Instead he was too concerned about sitting on the bench collecting his wages waiting for the time to return to Real Madrid.
If he joined Arsenal which it seemed like he was gonna do, he would of performed much better, they were a team crying out for a dm, we just needed a back up.
Sahin was worth a gamble but whether it was playing out of position or not he just didn't work out. He never gave the impression he had a burning desire to play at Anfield so on we go. As it happens Lucas has stayed fit so he wouldn't be getting a game in his "prefered" role anyway. I still think we'll struggle again if Lucas gets injured. God forbid.
@Ze & Dave Running around like a headless chicken isn't his game though. And after seeing his lack of mobility, its obvious why. He is like Alonso (in terms of playing style), he is at his best when the whole game is played infront of him and he is deep with a good amount of time on the ball. So why we decided to play him in the no.10 role where he was expected to play with his back to goal and always under pressure from opponents I don't know. Well actually I do, and that reason is Joe Allen, but Sahin should've had more game time in that deeper role and been given a proper chance. Especially as Rodgers was saying a couple of months later that Allen was tired and had played too many games!
Inho means little. So little ford. Maybe we should call him an escort... he might like that. I'll stick with Kuytinho.
I agree he should have got more game time, from what I saw of him at Dortmund he was a really good player. I also agree he should have been picked over Allen, however if Sahin was only ever expected to be a loanee then it makes sense to use him as cover. It does strike me as an odd loan move, especially if there was no chance of us buying him this summer. Despite him saying he was played out of position, I do remember him playing DM in the Europa League at one point and I wasn't that impressed with him then either, definitely not to the point I was when watching him at Dortmund.
Perhaps I have not made myself clear. Firstly I don't believe that he is that good a player in the first place. Secondly, he gave no indication that he was truly prepared to put himself out on our behalf. So it was his way or the highway - the end result being that he took the road out of the door and good riddens!. If you are going to limit yourself to one particular role/style of play then you had better be really sure that you are as good as Alonso. In my opinion, Sahin was very short of that. Contrast his attitude with that of Lucas.
Perhaps Fordhino is a little obvious? Those of us of a certain age might choose to call him Lotus. I guess 1600E is a little too obscure... (I'll get my coat) GKRK
I prefer to just call him 'Ford' but others insist that we have to brag about having a 'inho' in the side
This can be a problem with loanees who are wedded to the idea of going back to their club. Don't break too much of a sweat cos you know you're going back in a couple of months. No loyalty to your loan-club teammates. Which is very strange unless you no longer care to play, as such attitude problems must surely get back to the parent club. Perhaps Sahin was simply happy to pick up his wages and wait out to a free from Real???
thing was he never played so maybe he meant he got splinters in his arse... i mean off the pitch is quite a long way out of position.
