And how did that work out for Birmingham, Pompey and Boro? Do you think any of them wouldn't trade their solitary pot for still being in the PL and potentially challenging for 5th spot? Heck, Pompey's cup success almost killed the entire club. In fact, it's hard to think of a single manager who has kept the club as stable as Moyes has for so long, when limited to wages of less than half that of the top clubs and a budget of £1-2 million a season plus what he can raise from sales. Wenger has had eight years of those kinds of financial constraints, albeit with a wage budget twice as high, and in that time has taken Arsenal from being invincible league winners to about the same level as Everton. Benitez only needed 18 months of having to sell to buy to send Liverpool from 2nd to 7th, and the club is still struggling to recover despite spending twice as much on wages and much more on transfers than Everton. Does anyone think any manager can take them further than where they are at present without that much needed financial backing? I will happily admit I doubt even SAF could push Everton much higher with the resources the club has available.
That was my point Swarbs. I wasn't criticising Moyes or Everton, they've simply come to the end of tge road IMO unless they get some finances from somewhere.
Not having that. David Moyes hasn't managed a single win at Anfield since he's been at Everton. Surely if form goes out of the window for derbies he would've had a few wins by now??
I think you know it wasn't quite that simple though, don't you? Its much easier to work under a stable owner who gives you support and confidence to concentrate on the coaching, rather than owners who are trying to replace you and leaking stuff to the papers about you in a bid to ruin your reputation. Everton have around the 8th biggest wage budget in the league, and they usually finish there at the end of the season. No huge surprise. What does Liverpool underachieving have to do with it? Our managers have been sacked because of the fact we have been underachieving. The likes of Wigan, Fulham & Stoke have been finishing in about the same area every season. Why does Moyes finishing around where Everton would be expected to finish every season make him some sort of messiah and candidate for the Chelsea job? Should Pulis or Martinez also be credible candidates for the Chelsea job? Nope, because they haven't shown enough. I think Moyes has done a good job at Everton, but I don't understand why people act like he is irreplaceable as Everton boss and nailed on to go to a big club if he leaves Everton. If he'd have won things you could say fair enough, but he hasn't. He's won **** all and being honest hasn't even looked like winning something at any point.
Dunno about the end of the road - Moyes has been achieving consistently for many years and there's no reason he wouldn't carry on. In fact, imo it might be harder for Everton if they lose him, as I don't think many other managers could keep the club as steady as he had without more financial support. They might win a pot or two in the next decade if he leaves, but they'd almost certainly spend more time bumping around lower mid table rather than being steady near the top. Liverpool was just a convenient example, and your own club's fortunes are completely irrelevant to the point I was making. The fact it, since Moyes came to Everton, no club has performed at such a consistently high level for so long without finances. Arsenal have dropped out of the title race, Newcastle, Villa and Leeds were up near Everton and have fallen way off, Chelsea and City have only jumped up so high with massive amounts of money, and even Utd have only kept where they are through having enough revenue to afford high wages and some big transfers. I'd expect him to go to a big club because the big clubs are generally looking for consistency, particularly now when FFP will limit their ability to resolve inconsistency with money. Chelsea were top spenders in the league from 2004 to 2010 but didn't win every title. City have been the biggest spenders for the last three years but look like having only one trophy to show for it. Arsenal have been 3rd or 4th biggest spenders for a while now, and their board have been perfectly happy to bump along in 3rd or 4th place. He'd almost certainly win a trophy or two over a few years at a bigger club, and I think many of the bigger clubs (outside City and Chelsea of course) would be happy with a manager who kept them at a steady level with gradual improvements on their investment rather than one who won more trophies but spent more time bouncing up and down the league spending lots of money. That doesn't necessarily mean he'll succeed, but clubs in situations like Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal would be happy with a manager who can consistently punch at the club's weight, to allow the board to invest in boosting the clubs profile rather than buying a new set of players every time they change the manager.
The risk is - and it might seem odd - that Moyes doesn't know how to spend big money. While at Everton he's having to get by on a small transfer budget, and doing so very well, how will he fare when given £30m+ over a summer? Will his attention to detail slacken off? Who knows how he'll do with a bigger budget. He's got Everton set up how he wants them, and a move to fresh pastures could be a big risk. Remember that he took Everton to the brink of relegation a couple of times before he stabilised them. It won't just be a case of him stepping in at Chelsea (or wherever) and doing what he did with Everton on a larger scale. Having spent over a decade at Goodison, he'll have naturally fallen into a pattern of business that may not work elsewhere. How many managers move clubs after that long? I can't think of any in recent times.
That's the biggest load of bollocks I have ever read on these boards lol and I'm Including Foredeckdave's posts In that Liverpool have been underacheiving and spending a ****load while doing It for a start... plus Stoke have also outspent us easily and Wigan have Just been staying In the league not sure about Fulham tbh? I don't think he Is Irreplaceable either as far as I'm concerned he can sign or fook off... Maybe you should have gave the Interviews for your managers Job he's made a cracking Job of replacing the fallen King Kenny..
Well the weekend's gone from bad to worse lol the Spuds have gift wrapped 3 points for you aswell lol ah well time for a few beers GGRRRRR
Although Everton have a game in hand I don't see you getting back in front of us. You have some difficult fixtures that you can easily drop a load of points in, especially if Moyes and Fellaini and others don't stay focussed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-21747116 Liverpool FC fans say next year's season ticket rises are an "insult" to loyal supporters, despite a freeze on ticket prices for the Kop. The club announced a six-tier pricing system, which will see prices increase by up to 9% in some areas of the ground Fans group Spirit of Shankly called the increases inflation busting. Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre, said the club gave "careful consideration" to ticket prices and pricing over the past two years. The most expensive full adult ticket for the 2013-14 season will be £850 an increase of just over 5%. The cheapest season ticket sells at £710. Liverpool FC said season tickets in the Kop will remain level or reduced. The cheapest season tickets at neighbours Everton will be £427 next season. 'Too high' Spirit of Shankly said: "In the midst of austerity, with redundancies and cutbacks a daily reality for many supporters, these inflation-busting price rises are an insult to long-standing supporters who have already suffered a massive 716% price rise since 1989. "While the announcement regarding Kop season tickets is a relief to many, it is our belief that ticket prices are already too high, pricing out many of those that kept the club on its feet during its darkest days." However Mr Ayre, defended the changes saying: "Over the past two years the club has given careful consideration to ticket prices and pricing structures in consultation with the Supporters Committee. "Following last year's price freeze, this year we have reviewed our overall stadium pricing structure and, similar to many other Premier League clubs, from next season we will also be introducing a multiple-tier pricing structure which will more accurately reflect seat location and view." Liverpool currently has the ninth most expensive season tickets in the Premier League, with Arsenal season tickets selling at £1,955.
Owners dont give a f**k about the working classes, young fans, etc, all they care about is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. £52 for a ticket in the main stand next season, obscene
9th most expensive tells me this is a problem within football and not just with our owners. I havent been able to afford to go for ages.
Indeed this is a premier league problem not a Liverpool problem. All else being equal I'm sure we still have top-4 demand in the country for tickets and a not-overly large stadium. To only be 9th most expensive means we are under priced compared to other teams as ridiculous as that may sound.
I know what you mean but during that time we'll have been the team out of form and won. Plus we've usually had the better quality players so quality will out more often than not. Quality is different to form though I probably should have said form "can" go out of the window in a tight derby game...corrected Anyway let's just stuff them again.
Who really cares where Moyes goes next? Whoever they get in as manager will have a poor side and no money apart from the pittance that they'll get for Fellaini and Baines.
Its getting to the stage I just can't justify it to myself anymore nevermind the missus. When the Prem first came about I remember us joking one day about how one day the ground would be full of Japanese tourists whilst the pubs and houses right next to the ground would be full of locals watching it on the telly. Supply and demand though right. We can't argue with market forces...because while the dollars role in nobody gives a **** about who is actually filling the seats. Shameful but then modern life is rubbish
