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Hugo Chavez Dead

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Mind The Duck, Mar 5, 2013.

  1. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    Not a test

    Good guy or ****?
     
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  2. Hash.

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    Good guy , the world is a lesser place without Hugo.
     
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  4. Mick O'Toon

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    Was he a mate of Maggie?
     
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    The USA hate him... So he must be a good guy.
     
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  6. EDGE.

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    ****.

    His stupid socialist policies of nationalising everything has sent his resource rich country into a recession while the rest of Latin America has seen tremendous growth.

    Socialism fails 9/10 as it exclusively benefits ****s and *****s.
     
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  7. Hash.

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    No

    <grr>
     
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  8. Mind The Duck

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    I just read that the rest of Latin America has gone socialist...the "pink tide"
     
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    Argentina's growth has plummeted with the mad cow tub thumping about the Falklands whilst her economy heads over the cliff.

    You want growth then let the invisible hand of the market do its job.

    Not a Gambolism.
     
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    The front against America's imperialist ambitions loses one of its foremost leaders <peacedove>

    The world will end up a poorer place without him
     
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    The Venezualan economy will probably be better off without him.
     
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  12. Mick O'Toon

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    Am I mixing him up with some other S.American dude,the bloke who was in London not too long ago?
     
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    Because America may find someone that will bend to their will and American companies my be allowed to operate in the country once again. However I dont see too many Venezuelans complaining about the economy as the oil revenue was used to tackle poverty and crreate an enviable health and education system, y'know the important things and not how well you can boost the profits of a leechin TNC
     
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    Pinochet? Chilean dictator and great mmates with maggie
     
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    Overthrew Allende in a military coup against a democratically elected government. Kept in the lap of luxury in Britain at the expense of the tax payer thanks to her friendship with Maggie.

    And also killed the man in my sig at the minute.
     
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  16. Mick O'Toon

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    Thanks men forgive my ignorance and yes it was Pinochet I was thnking off
     
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  17. RebelBhoy

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    [video=youtube;Id--ZFtjR5c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id--ZFtjR5c&feature=player_embedded[/video]


    Fair Play Owen Jones- From Oct 12

    www.independent.co.uk/voices/commen...nt-that-says-no-to-neoliberalism-8202738.html

    If much of the Western media is to believed, I write this column from a country brutalised by an absurd tinpot caudillo, Hugo Chavez, who routinely jails any journalist or politician with the temerity to speak out against his tyranny.
    According to Toby Young, Venezuela is ruled by a &#8220;Marxist tyrant&#8221; and a &#8220;Communist dictator&#8221;. Chavez&#8217;s defeated opponent in Sunday&#8217;s presidential elections, Henrique Capriles, was portrayed by contrast as an inspiring, dynamic democrat determined to end Venezuela&#8217;s failed socialist experiment and open the country to much-needed foreign investment.

    The reality of Venezuela could not be more distant from the coverage, but the damage is done: even many on the left regard Chavez as beyond the pale. Those who challenge the narrative are dismissed as &#8220;useful idiots&#8221;, following in the footsteps of the likes of Beatrice and Sidney Webb who, in the 1930s, lauded Stalin&#8217;s Russia, oblivious to the real horrors.

    Venezuela is a funny sort of &#8220;dictatorship&#8221;. The private media enjoys a 90 per cent audience share and routinely pump out vitriolic anti-Chavez propaganda, pro-opposition areas are plastered with billboards featuring Capriles&#8217; smiling face, and jubilant anti-Chavez rallies are a regular event across the country.

    Venezuelans went to the polls on Sunday for the 15th time since Hugo Chavez was first elected in 1999: all of those previous elections were judged as free by international observers, including ex-US President Jimmy Carter, who described the country&#8217;s election process as &#8220;the best in the world&#8221;. When Chavez lost a constitutional referendum in 2007, he accepted the result. Before his massive registration drives, many poor people could not vote. In stark contrast to most Western democracies, over 80 per cent of Venezuelans turned out to vote in Sunday&#8217;s presidential elections.

    Even opponents of Chavez told me that he is the first Venezuelan president to care about the poor. Since his landslide victory in 1998, extreme poverty has dropped from nearly a quarter to 8.6 per cent last year; unemployment has halved; and GDP per capita has more than doubled. Rather than ruining the economy &#8211; as his critics allege &#8211; oil exports have surged from $14.4bn to $60bn in 2011, providing revenue to spend on Chavez&#8217;s ambitious social programmes, the so-called &#8220;missions&#8221;.

    His critics attack him for his association with autocrats and tyrants such as Gaddafi, Ahmadinejad and Assad.

    His critics attack him for his association with autocrats and tyrants such as Gaddafi, Ahmadinejad and Assad. They have a point, but given the West&#8217;s own support for dictatorships such as Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Kazakhstan &#8211; whose regime is currently paying Tony Blair $13m a year for PR services &#8211; a giant glasshouse looms behind them. Venezuela&#8217;s main allies are fellow Latin American democracies, themselves ruled by progressive governments that Chavez helped inspire, such as Brazil, Ecuador and Bolivia.

    That&#8217;s not to say that Venezuela is free of problems, or even close. Security was the main concern of Venezuelans I spoke to, and little wonder: violent crime has surged, with up to 20,000 people murdered last year. An ineffective and often corrupt local police and justice system, the spill over from conflict in neighbouring Colombia, and a society with more guns than people are largely to blame. The government is beginning to roll out a national police force, but urgent action is clearly required.

    But when it comes to his relationship with his opposition, Chavez has arguably been pretty lenient. Many of them &#8211; including Capriles &#8211; were involved in a US-backed, Pinochet-style military coup in 2002, which failed only after Chavez&#8217;s supporters took to the streets. It was incited and supported by much of the private media: I wonder what would happen to Sky News and ITN if they had egged on a coup d&#8217;état against a democratically elected government in Britain. Five years later, the government refused to renew the licence of one broadcaster, RCTV, because of its role in the coup. Even many Chavistas acknowledge that it was a tactical mistake, but I wonder how many governments would tolerate TV stations advocating their armed overthrow.

    Venezuela&#8217;s oligarchs froth at the mouth with their hatred of Chavez, but the truth is his government has barely touched them. The top rate of tax is just 34 per cent, and tax evasion is rampant. Why do they despise him? As Chavez&#8217;s vice-minister for Europe, Temir Porras, puts it to me, it&#8217;s because &#8220;the people who clean their houses are now politically more important than them&#8221;. Under Chavez, the poor have become a political power that cannot be ignored: no wonder even Capriles at least claimed he would leave the social programmes intact.

    Chavez&#8217;s critics in the West are entitled to passionately disagree with him. But it&#8217;s time they stopped pretending he is a dictator. Chavez has won fair and square. Despite formidable obstacles, he has proved it is possible to lead a popular, progressive government that breaks with neo-liberal dogma. Perhaps that is why he is so hated after all.
     
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    Far left hypocrite and useful idiot Owen Jones: Associating with dictatorships is OK if they are anti West
     
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    Jackys hero died today <peacedove>
     
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  20. ManDingo 20"/20"

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    The big question:

    Was Chavez Circumcised?
     
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