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FIA clamp down on blown diffusers / NOT

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Di Resta is faster than u, May 17, 2011.

  1. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    That requires common sense, something the FIA is not famous for having.

    i still believe if they want to do this they should wait till the end of the season, not change the rules half way though the season.
     
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  2. Masanari

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    Thanks Mifune. <ok>

    JA missed the kerfuffle on this last night but he's wound up the story nicely.
     
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  4. Di Resta is faster than u

    Di Resta is faster than u Active Member

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    Aren't 2 of the 4 weeks of the break total shutdown? Making it essentaily the same as a 2 week break?
     
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    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    It could even be allowed up until 2013. I feel we're not going to be given anything definite until at least mid June :(
     
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  6. Masanari

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    Yes but they could still think about it during the 2 week shutdown giving them a bit of preperation time that they would not get during a normal 2 week break.

    I think if they are going to outlaw it they should do it at either the end of this season or as you say in 2013 with the new engines. The FIA should definitely not do it during the season though because that seems like they are just moving the goalposts.
     
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  7. ErnieBecclestone

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    I've been thinking today, odd that, why start thinking at my age, anyway, why oh why, have the FIA apparently and suddenly decided to invoke major changes to the regulation regarding throttle and engine management at this stage of the season ?

    Mclaren have alleged the blown rear diffuser issue has not been discussed as likely to be subject to any rule change before the changes were announced and are not clear as to how the issue has suddenly become a priority, could it be that the dark forces within the FIA are reacting to prompts put forward by Ferrari for example.

    A lot of money and development has been put into the exhaust blown diffuser and those that have devised the best systems are now being penalised, for reasons I dont understand, but I am sure I am starting to smell an Italian rat named Monte.
     
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    Ernie - perhaps concessions are already being made in an attempt to damp down any talk of a breakaway series.
     
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  9. ErnieBecclestone

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    jenji: Yes mate the sh*te is begining to hit the fan and Ferrari have the biggest shovel.
     
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  10. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Why do "the biggest team in F1" always threaten to leave when someone else is better than them?? Can't they take losing or something?
     
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  11. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Afraid of no longer being the biggest team....

    In my view if your not winning, try harder!
     
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  12. Delete Me

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    Sorry if i'm saying this again, but I don't believe this horsecrap that F1 can't do without Ferrari. If they leave it only means a bigger share of the pie for everybody else and "Ferrari" as a whole wont have that appeal anymore like they used to have if they leave. HELL! they don't even have it now after the constant Red Bull/McLaren spanking they get every year.

    The drivers are like saints compared to the teams "core" mindset $$$$$$!!!!!

    Give F1, 2-3 years without Ferrari and people will struggle to remember who they were. (slight sarcasm)

    So tell them to shut up Todt, and make them fall back in line like the rest of the schmucks.

    They have all gained considerable wealth being part of the F1 chain, if they don't like that tell them to piss off and whistle for the rest of the money.
     
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  13. genjigonzales

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    While everyone's chattering and twittering away about banning EBDs and then unbanning them nobody's asking about the topic of conversation at last weekend's meeting between Montezemolo, Zetsche, Mateschitz and McLaren's representative.

    It may be that, as we saw in 2009, it's not just Ferrari threatening to go their own way. Can F1 survive without McLaren, Red Bull and Mercedes, too? That's the threat.

    Even then, however, I still believe your point is good. F1 will survive, in terms of a world championship run by the FIA. Income, race attendance and TV audiences may plummet very quickly without the big name drivers but the formula will continue.

    On the other side of the fence, though, what would the breakaway series look like? Owned (and governed) by the big four teams, how many new constructors would want to get involved? Would they all have to run three or four cars to make a decent fist of the races? What would the TV audiences (i.e. sponsor income) be? What circuits would they race at? There are enormous risks for the teams and their shareholders in taking such a momentous step at a time when F1 is performing financially very well.

    So I don't think the "horsecrap" is limited to Ferrari threatening to leave. You have to consider how you'd feel if the big four teams all left together. I just don't think they will and I think the FIA still holds the ace.
     
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  14. Delete Me

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    I respect you genji, you know how to treat me just right ;)

    Just want the issue sorted and have it over with.
     
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  15. ErnieBecclestone

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    Surely all the current teams and more could form their own F1 series, if these guy's can build race team's organising a bit of TV coverage and finding circuits should be easy, who needs the FIA, a self appointed pile of freeloaders.

    There is sufficient capability within the F1 fraternity to create their own series, racing wherever in the world they like, financially there is virtualy no risk as the audience is already in place, it just needs the correct formula of race car, which is a known factor.

    I dont see how the FIA hold the ace card, they dont actually have a product to sell.
     
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    I think with regards to the exhaust blown diffusers it is just Ferrari kicking off. Red Bull and McLaren both have sophisticated systems and Mercedes are looking to implement a front exiting exhaust system. Judging by the fact that their race pace is so much stronger than their qualifying pace I'd suggest Ferrari's system is either ineffective or non-existant.

    I think the top four times are all dispensable individually, but losing more than one would be a disaster.
     
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  17. Delete Me

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    True F1 is worthless, but FOM have all the contracts to show these events which the FIA govern. If the big 4 left F1 they would have a hard time to get the same amount of money which I'm sure will lead to PPV at the word go.

    And also a big ass sueing by CVC for pritty much investing all their money into a sport which the teams screw them over with.
     
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  18. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    I can't see it making any difference to the outcome if they only use it during quali. look how quickly Vettel pulls away in the first lap without it
     
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  19. Max Whiplash

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    I wonder how this will affect the development race in the months ahead. I presume the big teams will suffer least as they have more resources but I wonder if we'll see less 'regular' updates at the coming races as teams focus on developing alternatives to the blown diffuser on which most teams seem to have pinned a lot of hope. Or am I exaggerating its importance?
     
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  20. Masanari

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    I just think that some clarity is needed by the FIA to say what their plans are for the blown diffusers, are they going to clamp down on them? If they are then when? It must be a bit tricky for teams to decide how much to focus on developing them if they do not know if it will be worth it.
     
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