I judge Hull City managers by how high they have taken us. How do you judge a good Hull City manager?
In short, our results when Alardyce was out of work were several times better than when he was at work and he was actually at most of our games during that period(sat behind me with his Madonna microphone on). As Agro suggests, it's far from conclusive, the numbers are just surprising.
To a certain extent, you have a point. However, as our abysmal run under Brown lasted for over 50 matches spread over two half-seasons, and encompassed three transfer windows, it's not as relevant a point as you might think Interesting. I wasn't aware that he attended the majority of our games.
and was at training a day or two each week ... quite funny as he was there more than "brownie" some weeks ... (and before the likes of ISTPLT say anything , I was in an office at mill house woods lane so could see first hand ) in other words get ****ing real and start to take the brown tinted glasses off maybe
We did bad business in the transfer windows. If you hate Phil Brown, he signed the cheques, he scouted the players and he personally demanded we sign them. Thankfully most people are not so ****ishly one-eyed and adopt a more analytical and balanced approach. Does anyone actually have any stats about the games Large Samuel actually attended? I saw him at Ewood Park in our first away game in 2008/9. I know he helped out with preparations for the Watford semis and the Wembley* final, and was in the dressing room after. (*= Those were the days when we were on good terms with Arsenal and they lent us their training ground!)
It was no dark secret, he attended both home and away, on many occasions; he played a more active role in advising Brown than Brian Horton. He did not try and hide behind a Fedora and dark glasses, it was up-front and in your face. The training stuff is spot on and really surprised alot of Pros as they expected he was being paid a consultancy - I know one very senior ex-pro who thought there might be a power change had Sam not been taken up by Blackburn - a bigger club. This is not about him being a knob (although he is), but about the fact that football professionals realised that his real talents were in making folk laugh on Soccor AM, etc. They look after their own in the Pro game, but the Boxing Day fiasco shocked them, it was needlessly demeaning and that reduced his professional stock immeasureably.
Look, I do appreciate the role he played in our PL promotion, of course I do. But his worth is very over-rated. I admire the guys who stand up for him on the basis of him being a club legend; he was the manager of some terrific players who, ultimately, were very badly managed. But that day at Xmas 2008, he sat our team, our club in the centre cirle at Manchester City and in front of the whole football world he made All of our players look very stupid, he made our club look very weak and comical, he thought he made himself look very clever - he failed on the last one. That is why he is a knob and I have ****-all time for him.
Look, I do appreciate the role he played in our PL promotion, of course I do. But his worth is very over-rated. I admire the guys who stand up for him on the basis of him being a club legend; he was the manager of some terrific players who, ultimately, were very badly managed. But that day at Xmas 2008, he sat our team, our club in the centre cirle at Manchester City and in front of the whole football world he made All of our players look very stupid, he made our club look very weak and comical, he thought he made himself look very clever - he failed on the last one. That is why he is a knob and I have ****-all time for him.
No. By this time he was on his own, he had been tonked by his home team, The Mackems, after his PR disaster and then he rolled into the Boxing Day debacle - he had no ideas, he made wierd decisions on tactics, selection and his public comments on players. He went downhill, they played poorly because they were managed poorly, we lost and he should have gone because he lost a substantial part of the dressing room. His crazy Bullard card was a disaster and he was signing some strange players, he was found out and a lost cause. So come on then smartarse - why did we so suddenly and shockingly become undone?
So if we'd lost one of the early season games and beat Man U on the final day would that have been different? This is sensible logic. I find it amazing that we're even discussing whether another manager was making decisions on behalf of our manager. If you just said Brown was **** I might be interested. But since you've also told us loads of negative stuff about other popular managers it just seems like you hate everyone. SAF also helped out with the Wembley preperation. You don't think we had a **** team then?
Nah, we had a team that would challenge Brazil. If Sam Allardyce was our manager why did we not play long ball football? And who lead us to survival from relegation in 2006/07?
I'm not surprised Brownie might have got a helping hand from Allardyce, that whole promotion season was a bit strange. Some of the players we had were maybe a bit sub-standard compared to this seasons crop but we still got the job done very efficiently. I wouldn't use it as an excuse to belittle Browns achievements that year though as some people seem to be trying to.
I'm just amazed he hasn't put his name forward for the Chelsea job..........Brown and Abramovich deserve each other. I disliked his "square pegs in round holes " approach in our promotion year but despite him the team "were a team" and succeeded.As his ego grew we got worse in the EPL and after the Wigan game he targeted Wayne Brown ( I'm aware he had a bad game) and when he loaned him out and ultimately transferred him in the January ,I asked the question on another well known site,"Did we get rid of the right BROWN".I was laughed at and abused by the blind ass licking posters who thought the sun shone from his rear end. Many of those glory posters are now distancing themselves from their original comments and deriding him ,some of whom post on this site. Stand up and be counted you plonkers!!
Phil brown. Did well got us to the premier league for our first time ever.. Did ok at first. Turned ****... Did crap.. Should have been sacked sooner .
Originally Posted by Fez No it was not! Where did you get this from , or have you edited it in?[/B] "Something about being fortunate because we lost to Man U and stayed up..." Read my other posts, I don't mention lucky - you do. I say fortunate as you now write and we were - our future was not in our hands and that was piss poor after the blinding start to the season - it was a cataclysmic capitulation, nothing less - any other club would have sacked him out of hand. We had a team that had showed itself to be capable of upsetting big names and stunning the football world by their tenacity and application; then it stopped, suddenly, fatally and with some very significant events surrounding it - work it out Sherlock
Ive met Sam Allardyce many times and he's a cock. I seriously dislike him, although hate is probably going too far, but to say his teams play 'long ball football' is just nonsense. It is a lazy media tag to help perpetuate an underdog, unglamourous image. He's a good manager whose teams play attacking, dynamic football that ruffles feathers and the biggest mistake Newcastle ever made was sacking him. And the whole long ball thing pisses me off anyway, very few teams ever played more direct football than the famous and hugely successful 1980's Liverpool but that never gets mentioned.
