Allardyce was Bolton manager the season Browny saved us from relegation, and then Newcastle manager for the first half of the promotion season. What I want to know is who was our manager at that point?
Bruce got sacked by Sunderland... Not many managers don't get the sack at some point. Or do you think we should have Fergie at the helm? Brown won't be forgotten at all and neiter will his character.
having worked at hull city during the "glory" years .. Im afraid you guys are deluded .. he was hopeless and was not even "manager" during our great run on the 1st prem season ... he is a joke .. in fact Ill be honest .. he is a coach ... that's all .. about time some of you took off your brown tinted glasses and that's all the staff saw him as hell he was only at the training ground 3 days out of 7 ... but hey he is a "legend" right ?
Quite true, however it takes some kind of managerial coont to get sacked at each of the three management positions that you've held, Derby County, Hull City & Preston North End!
What does that say about the rest of the managers in our history if some lucky bullshitting chancer with Big Sam whispering instructions in his ear and only doing 3 days a week can get us up into the Prem and winning at the Emirates? Or could it be that you're talking utter ****e?
That's my point really. You were the one saying we were fortunate and I'm saying we hardly had any luck that season (as is usually the case with teams fighting relegation; you make your own luck etc.) Just because we were better at the beginning of the season than the end doesn't make it lucky. If we'd done it the other way around and lost our first 20 games but then gone on a big winning run would that make it unlucky that we didn't get into Europe? And that is the most preposterous conspiracy of all. Why the **** would Sam Allardyce want to manage our team for free and why would Pb want to let him? Furthermore why did we play nothing like a Sam Allardyce team whatsoever if he was driving the tactical decisions? All you ever tell us from your educated position is that everyone who's ever worked at the club is a ****.
No, although I will wonder why we have gone a number of years without bringing in a decent striker; until now. There are folk who use these threads who used HDM back in 2008/09, I posted my opinion then from around late February 2009 - this has nothing to do with hindsight. If you believe that Brown is a great manager and that my opinion is ****e then you have the right to believe that and good on yer; although, conversely, you have convinced me that your footballing opinion is worthless, because Brown is a clueless buffoon, albeit a very lucky one.
I'm not really one for conspiracy theories, but I have seen the aforementioned details of our performances while Allardyce was out of work(courtesy of statmeister ToP on CI) and they really are quite astounding.
Okay, you're dead right there! Every time we see the clips of him doing his pink jumpered punditry, the singalong a matchday at Wembley, the outrageous interviews and cliches, the bizarre team selections and praised players dropped the very next game, right backs played at left back, centre-spot bollockings, lost games were we really had a chance, but . . . yes you are bang on,' Brown won't be forgotten at all and neiter will his character' Of course, the Humber Bridge will always bring a wry smile . . .
I'm grateful to Brown for the good times he gave us, he achieved something with us that no manager had done before and did this on the back of keeping a relegation doomed team up the season before. We had the fantastic results and days out at The Emirates, St James' Park, White Hart Lane, Old Trafford, Anfield and Stamford Bridge and those achievements should never be forgotten or dicredited. We battled against the odds that season and surpassed all expectations by staying up. Some may say we were lucky, but luck and good fortune don't stretch out over 38 games and in the end we did enough on merit to stay in the top flight. However, for all the good times, there were the bad times and for me I remember Brownie for both the good and the bad. We were always fighting against the odds to stay up, but what I found unacceptable was the complete lack of fight and ambition in matches were we had a realistic chance of winning. Middlesbrough, West Ham, Sunderland, Birmingham, Wolves, Blackburn and Fulham were just some of the games were we just didn't turn up. Our great performances against the big boys were put to waste over our lack of being able to pick up points from teams around us. Added to this the media circus Brownie created and it is easy to see why Brown's time here holds both good and bad memories. This should in no way devalue his achievements but it doesn't absolve him from criticism over things that went wrong. Sacking him was an overdue decision given our form and performances in the crunch games, but the timing was wrong and he should have taken us down or on the back of that Arsenal game, do a 'Wigan' with us and create a late season surge to stay up. I doubt this would have been the case given our form over the season, but the Arsenal game showed the effort that was missing in the previous games against Everton, West Ham and Blackburn. I hope he finds another job and can repeat the same kind of success he had here. Despite his success he made mistakes here and from how he conducts himself at times it appears he still hasn't learnt from them. His success shouldn't overshadow his mistakes, in the same way that his mistakes shouldn't overshadow his success. The man is rightfully a club legend and will always be remembered for those fantastic days we had in 2008. However, the darker days of 2009 and 2010 will remain just as pertinent.
Astounding about covers it. I first posted something about this back in January (late) 2009 and it triggered a few similar line of thought on other boards that I did not use. I first became aware through some mates in Sunderland, a couple of players and a couple of ex-players and they reckoned it was bang-on. Brown was considered a Flash Harry with a reasonable coaching background but zilch credibilty as a manager - Boxing Day was considered outrageous. We all know that Brown and Sam are not just mates but great mates; Brown was using Sam's experience of the league and his advice on tactical approach. Sure they fielded the team, but once Brown was on his own, he started to tinker thinking he was a clever chappie and we went into a spiral of failure; we never got out of it because he did not know what he was doing wrong. Believe me, Brown is a professional joke and he just keeps on making it worst with all of his job claims.
For that to be demonstrable, we would have had to playing with the same players against the same team every week. However, we had the Marlon King departure and the Ashbee crippling at Villa, both of which took their toll on us. It's a great conspiracy theory, but it doesn't encompass all the other factors such as: - team running out of adrenaline - opposition doing their homework on us instead of taking us for granted - struggling teams targetting us for crucial points instead of trying to beat every team as started out doing before we ran out of steam.
