Pearson and Taylor got us out of div 4 and div 3 Brown / Horton got us into the Premier League. We now have our best owners ever ( imo ) Also our best manager ever ( imo ) The last 10 years = our best years ever. As for Brown and Pearson Now there history and I ain't bothered about what happens to them. It's great how everything has turned out for the best .. (I would have sacked brown before Christmas though, PL season 2 ) Roll on Saturday when we get back to winning and chasing automatic promotion..
I want to say they should of done it when we were doing ****ing awful at the end of the 2008/2009 season, if we were serious about staying up and not just going straight back down. Had we sacked him and then a new manager (Someone who wasn't Ian Dowie, anyone) would of had the money Brown wasted in that transfer window on players like Sonko on better players, any other manager in that league who had 1 win in god knows how many games under his belt would of been deservedly sacked.
For the record I would have sacked Brown around March 2009 (I posted that in the HDM at that time); he ran out of ideas, having started with very few. The Boxing Day fiasco was a huge mistake and made him a laughing stock and certainly alienated a large part of the dressing room; to think that is not the case is delusional. But that was not the start of the decline, if you think it was then you were either not watching or not understanding. Do you recall all of his senseless banter over the Sunderland manager’s position and how he made both him and us look foolish with his crass posturing? Do you recall them pasting the quotes on their dressing room wall and do you recall them drubbing us 1 – 4 at home just six days before ManC? That was the real start. He was a wounded soul who had bragged and lost, he knew he had to do something to reassert his massive ego and that came to fruition on Boxing Day. Some of you defend his tactics – what ****ing tactics? Up to Sunderland he was getting his tactics over the phone from Fat Sam, then Sam went and got himself a job at Blackburn, no more tactical advice, except from Brian Horton (who was hugely influential in our promotion) – look at the timings, do you believe in HUGE coincidences? Sorry, his tactics. How many weeks did the congregation of the KC puzzle over his selections, for that matter, do you recall the puzzlement of the players, Geo included? He was running on fumes, or hot air as it is known. He was a very lucky man who was found out and fellow professionals know that. It was a travesty that, being fortunate to remain in the PL (it was unlucky for Newcastle and lucky for us – it would have been the same either way – it was out of our hands) we embarked on another window and season with him. The man is a knob, he is ****ing clueless and it is about time folk got over him. I agree with the guy who does not rate Adam Pearson – he is a self-serving sham of the first order and his machinations are becoming unravelled at FC.
Completely agree. Especially with the last line. When I say Brown gave me some of my happiest memories, I mean he was the man in the seat at the time, I can't bring myself to hate him, there's no point, but he did end up looking pretty clueless exactly as you describe.
Brown is a clueless manager, it's why he's been sacked from every job he's had in very unsuccessfull circumstances apart from one and a half seasons at hull, his infamous naughty step and ridiculous ego quotes will be forgotten.. I very much doubt he'll get another job in management
Is it any wonder this ****ing club doesnt have any legends? Anyone who does anything good gets slagged off: Phil Brown, Adam Pearson, Peter Taylor, Deano, Nicky Barmby all regularly slagged off on this board. We finished 5 points off survival in the second season, our home form was actually pretty good (24 points from 14 games under Browny) and we had a home game against Burnley and Pompey away to come, Im convinced wed have got at least 4 points from those games, who knows what could happen?
Getting sacked from jobs is pretty much what happens to managers nowadays though if we're being honest. It's rare that a Manager leaves on mutual consent (excluding moving to bigger and better i.e. Holloway from Blackpool to Palace). I think Eddie Howe leaving Burnley to return to Bournemouth is probably the only recent example. Most managers now get sacked left, right and centre as expectations are now so high. I wouldn't have sacked PB. There's a lack of respect for certain personel affiliated with what little success this Club has managed to achieve. I would have let us go down under him and let him learn from his mistakes. I wasn't aware the Browny's sacked was mainly due to financial situations as a previous post suggested. He made mistakes, every manager does. As Arctic Monkey said, the fame got to him, he was a bit delusional to take the players on the field because the last thing a Manager needs is to lose the dressing room. Once that happens, you're doomed. No matter what anyone says, he will forever remain a legend in my eyes, and he more than anyone will know the mistakes he made and will probably forever rue them. He kept us up at the expense of TWS and then got us promoted when nobody gave us a chance. We didn't have anywhere near one of the strongest squads in the Championship, but he installed togetherness and team work ethic to show that it's not always the best calibre of players that achieve success. Since 1904, Hull City had never been in the top flight, and Phil Brown led us there and kept us there. He should be respected, not slated.
Pearson gets less criticism than Brown and I've never seen anyone slag off Deano's or Nicky' s playing careers. Some might have disliked Taylor's style, but most appreciate his contribution
I know exactly when I gave up on Brownie as our manager, it was 19th September 2009, after we lost 1-0 at home to Birmingham. I remember this, because the article I posted on the old 606 is still there. It wasn't the performance(though it was crap) and it wasn't the result(which was also crap), it was the team selection. Our defence, which included McShane at right back and Sonko alongside Zayatte in the middle, performed like an act straight out of Billy Smart's Circus(with Zayatte seemingly trying to recreated his own goal of the week before). But what was really irritating, was that three games earlier we saw Altidore and Ghilas together for the first time(against Bolton) and we finally looked like we'd got a strike force again, yet for the third game running he didn't play them together. When he did finally decide to bring Ghlias on, it was for Altidore, so he could play with Jan of Hessleroad, much the amazement of everyone at the KC. I like Phil, I'm very grateful for what he did for us and I hope he does eventually get himself another job in management. Just as long as it's not with us, as in the 2009/10 season I think his team selections were worse than anything Phil Parkinson managed.
I agree, what gets me at the moment are people picking at Koren who has been our stand-out player since relegation. Seems like anybody is fair game for people who don't see the bigger picture. Brownies time ran out but I wouldn't go to the lengths of slagging him that some seem to take a lot of joy in doing on here.
See? We CAN agree on something. Well said, I agree with your entire statement. Can we hug now? Too soon? Meh
Do you realise how pathetic that sounds? All teams use the dodgy decisions whinge, it levels out and is a piss poor excuse.
This is why these debates are pretty pointless, because some people are like...............where's the fingers in ears whilst singing lalalala when you want it?
You could always try NOT being like that, and admit you're wrong? This debate has been done to death though, I don't think there's much either could side say to get the other to change their minds.
Phil Brown was great whilst Allardyce was driving the tactical decisions. When Allardyce was employed by Blackburn our fortunes reversed, literally overnight. Someone did some stats on our games before Allardyce got the Blackburn Job, and after - the swing is more than coincidence. Phil Brown was a lucky manager - he got a job at a club in the ascendancy (our general projection was up) he inherited a brilliant spine to the team. He would have had to have been a complete **** up to fail.
Phil Brown is our greatest manager to date. It baffles me why any HCFC supporter would want to slag him off EVER given what happened in May 2008. If we'd had fifty or sixty seasons in the top flight I could maybe understand why people wish to dwell on his 'errors' or 'wrong decisions'. But we haven't. So stop making yourselves look like ****s.
He got lucky. If we hadn't won all those games in his first two years in charge then we'd have been relegated and then everyone would have seen how bad a manager he was.
