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For all his shortcomings, is Rafa right this time?

Discussion in 'Chelsea' started by crocarno, Feb 28, 2013.

  1. crocarno

    crocarno Member

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    Certainly not one of his supporters (in any way) and would rather he had never come to our club, but did he rant, or is he right on this ocassion:

    1) So this group of fans are not making any favourites with the team and they are singing and wasting time preparing banners. They have to concentrate on supporting the team, that's what they have to do. Every game they continue singing and preparing banners, they are wasting time. What they have to do is support the team.

    2) I am a professional and I am doing my job. What I want to do is win every single game for Chelsea

    3) I have a title. Someone decided the title would be interim. Why? Just in case? Everybody is interim because after you there is another one. In this case they didn't have anyone, so why did they put interim? It's just to say to everyone: 'Because he was in Liverpool and just in case, we will put interim and then we will wash our hands'. "Was the title a mistake from the start? Yes, 100%.



    Yes, we have an absolute right to make our feelings & thoughts heard. Yes, we want someone to manage our club who we believe will be around for the long-term benefit of the club. Yes, we know what we are capable of achieving, and want to see us at our potential....BUT, at some point we need to start backing our team.

    Rafa, for all his faults, is not deliberately getting poor performances out of the team. Some of the players need to step up to the plate and perform again. The same ones who underperformed under AVB, then pulled their socks up for RDM. Of course, we need competent coaches and a good manager, but the player and the fans need to remember it is all about the club.

    Maybe Rafa has finally shot himself in the foot, but for all our discontent and vocal displeasure, just how many managers are the Board and fans going to be calling for to be removed before we finally settle down and get on with it?

    I actually admire him for saying what he did. He knows he is hated. He knows he is about to be booted out - but he is passionate about the game. Perhaps a few more of our players could show the same for OUR club.

    He was brought in to ensure some good cup runs (still possible in FA Cup & Europe) and to secure a Champions League place (still possible/probable). If Rafa lasts that long and does it, he will have achieved what the Board needed. We don't have to clap and cheer Rafa when we see him, but the team need us. The banners are no longer necessary, everyone knows how we feel about the man. It's time to get back behind the team in a big way and get the atmosphere back at the Bridge. Lets make teams scared to play us, not laugh at us and our troubles.
     
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  2. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    Agreed.
    People see this as Rafa trying to win pity....but why would he give a **** or want our pity, he gets paid either way and is gone in may anyway.
    He, like me, just cant understand why people want to consciously sabotage their teams performances to try "oust" a guy that has confirmed he is leaving in May anyway. Makes no sense at all.
     
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  3. bluemoon2

    bluemoon2 Well-Known Member

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    What we must do now is cheer Rafa at every opportunity and create some nice chants for him... :emoticon-0159-music We love you Rafa.... :emoticon-0159-music
     
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  4. crocarno

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    blue....no, now behave.....I'm not going that far
     
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  5. Drogs

    Drogs Well-Known Member

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    The only part I care about is when he said he won't be here next season. Time to let go and get behind the team for the final third of the season.
     
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  6. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    :emoticon-0148-yes: This
     
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    Pottermouth 328 Well-Known Member

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    As a neutral that's about right! I have a massive problem with Tony (clueliss) Pulis, yep he will keep us up this season by playing **** football AGAIN and again season after season.

    We've talked about (him) on the Stoke board we want Pulis out ASAP almost to a fan. Point being is WHY do anything that might upset the Chelsea player's? would be insane IMHO.

    Big difference is Rafa (is going) we will be stuck with the Clueliss one! YOU don't know how lucky you are at Chelsea F.C. Drogs. <ok>

    P.S. I don't blame Rafa personally but I can understand why Chelsea fans would never forgive him!! Booing (anyone/anyhing) during the game is
    of no use to your players. And Rafa probably doesn't give a monkeys anyway.
     
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  8. Bucks Blue

    Bucks Blue Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I'm sorry.... but we do support the team... You think taking 2000 fans to Middlesbrough at 10 days notice for a late kick off on a Wednesday isn't supporting the team? I went to the game yesterday and yes, there were Rafa out chants and a couple of banners were taken down BUT we supported the team throughout. Tbh... I'm getting sick and tired of this supporting the team nonsense.

    I've done all aways in the league and cups apart from Everton, Norwich and Reading following the team up and down the country and there are fans telling me that I don't support the team... It does my head in and is one thing that gets to me. Especially as most of the time the people telling me this watch the match in their armchair on their computer at home. (not referring to any of you on here btw)
     
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  9. crocarno

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    I am with you on what you are saying, I'm just wondering whether it is doing any good. Unfortunately for many reasons, I only manage to go to around 6-10 games a season, so can't claim to be one of the fortunate & committed that get to games like last night. I agree, 2000 away to Boro is bloody good. I'm certainly not questionning whether you (and others) really support the team - I just wonder whether the chants etc. help the situation.

    I've only managed 2 games so far this season with Rafa there, and it just feels very subdued - not what I've been used to over the years. It feels like some of the old regulars aren't there and those that are, just show there displeasure....it must affect the team.

    There isn't a simple solution (14 or so managers since Roman has been there proves that), but somehow and in someway the visible and vocal support and intimidation of the opposition needs to be back. I know that lots of my energy & passion/feeling is directed negatively toward Rafa rather than my focus being positively toward the team.
     
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  10. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    I may have been a little harsh in my judgement of these fans.
    I think they have good intentions at heart, but maybe didnt realise that voicing their opinions so loudly at games would have a negative effect on the squad.
    I think maybe for the first game yeah, just to show Roman we were not happy with Rafa's appointment, but to do it every game is pointless.
    it was made clear from day one that Rafa was only there temporarily, hence the title "Interim manager".

    Maybe if he had won us the league and CL he would have gotten the job permanently and would have been forgiven, but Rafa, apart from being hated by Chelsea fans, is also, imo a **** manager who arrived at Valencia at the best time when Barca and Real were in transitional seasons, and then one fluky CL win at Pool and thats it. But before that and since he has been ****. So i can understand peoples frustrations, but I dont see how taking it out on the team will help, as it is them we go to see on match day, not the manager. And it is the team who are affected by our chants/songs/boos. Rafa doesnt give a ****, this has always been a temp gig for him.

    But even a broken clock is correct twice a day. And rafa has correctly pointed out that what these fans are doing will not impact him at all, he will leave in May and the repercussions of what these fans have done could cause major setbacks for the club both financially and in football aspects. And Rafa will be sitting on a Spanish beach sipping pinna colladas bought with Romans money.
     
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  11. CFC: Champs £launderx17

    CFC: Champs £launderx17 Captain Ahab

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    Axeman gourlay has arrived at cobham apparently
     
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  12. luckywerthers

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    we all want him out now but still booing him is just childish, should just ignore him and get behind the team, i think it really could be the difference between Cl football or not next season.
     
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  13. I wouldn't accuse any Chelsea fan of "not supporting" their team, as it has been perfectly evident to me (a neutral) that all the comments made by CFC fans has been bourn out of the utter frustration at the situation that your owner has put the club in. Coco should never have been appointed manager, and he was on a hiding-to-nothing from the moment he arrogantly believed he could do what better managers than he have singularly failed to achieve - which is to please a man who is completely and utterly mad and who should not be the owner of a football club like Chelsea.

    The only thing I would berate you Chelsea fans for is that you don't have the balls to chant "Mad Dog Out!" at your games.

    The real question, now, for CFC is, who is going to take the risk and manage your club after Coco? The management-policy at your club is now officially the biggest joke in world football.
     
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  14. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    It will be a difficult task, picking the next manager, its going to take someone big to step in, and they will need the boards backing right away.

    Also, what the **** is "Mad Dog"? lol
     
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  15. Super_Chelsea_Blue_Boys

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    HIAG. Honestly I respect what you have to say (most of the time) and you are clearly a reasonably clued up football fan. However, no one is joining in with the, 'Mad Dog,' term. Really it just makes you sound like a dog with a bone (pun intended) so do everyone a favour and leave it out yeah?!
     
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  16. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    I was thinking of that drink I used to glug as a moody teen, Mad Dog 20/20. Minging!
     
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  17. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    Mad Dog was Martin Allen's nickname. Next manager?


    As for Rafa, they'd just had a lowkey win to help put the stories of arguments behind them and it isn't his place to put out those kind of answers whether he's right or wrong.

    A player should've come out and asked the fans get behind the club, including Rafa, a long while ago. Maybe I've missed it but I haven't seen a player back him.
     
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  18. chelsea - over 100 years of history

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    HIAG I only answer for the benefit of others as I know you have your toungue firmly in your cheek most of the time: -

    The reason we don't chant 'Roman out' (Mad Dog really aint catching on is it!!) is because we don't want him out. It's not a case of being scared just respecting all the good he has done for us. Bringing in Rafa is possibly the worst decision he has made, we've made our position clear, Rafa knows he can't stay beyond the end of the season and hopefully lessons have been learned. It might cost us a place or two in the league but hopefully with the right man next year we'll be in a better position mid/long term.

    Overall, it could be worse, we could be Arsenal or Liverpool and our season already be over.
     
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  19. luckywerthers

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    wanting to get rid of roman would be like wanting to get rid of a decent girlfriend just because she does not always have good knickers choice.
     
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  20. No Kane No Gain

    No Kane No Gain Well-Known Member

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    If you're more interested in her choice of nickers than getting them on the floor then maybe a girlfriend is not what you need ;)
     
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