Not quite sure how you think it is a superbly written response as most of it is wrong BUT the last Paragraph is Correct. Our Demise was mainly down to a Chairman who couldn't manage his milk bill let alone a football clubs accounts. Our bright new shinny stadium was a bridge to far and broke the horses back. Our debit when it all went tits up was to the bank on Stadium repayments. As for supporters not remembering the McMenemy era then i go back a bit further than that but they were fantastic times and all money spent on transfers and wages were met by a well-managed football club who owned its own land and stadium. One of my best memories was at QPR when the artificial surface and fencing around the ground were in place. i was stood right by the corner flag cramped up against the fencing when Stan Bowles came over to take a corner and as of course with Stan he loved attention especially so close to the fans and had us all in stitches with his pranking around, and just as he was about to take the corner, lent right next to the same bit of fencing i was pushed up against, I tried to put him off as he went to kick the ball and asked the question " What’s going to win the 3.30 at Kempton Stan " as he stroked the the ball into our box he replied with a horses name, which of course later we checked on the race and blow me down he was spot on. A fantastic player who like many of the talented players of that era never got enough England caps.
With respect, Possum, you claim most of my piece was incorrect, then pretty much set out why it was no so incorrect after all. I believe my piece referred to both the mis-management of clubs by owners or boards, to which you criticise the managerial competence of your then Chairman. Presumably, you'll claim my quoting of Wiki was incorrect regarding the club's inability to pay its staff costs, and yet you then describe the crippling debts associated with your shinny [sic] new stadium. If you wish to disagree and challenge facts, then may I suggest you do this against a piece that is actually contrary to your opinion? If you still take issue, then I would certainly appreciate a more thorough dissection by you of my original post so that I may get most of it right the next time, as I would love to be a little less ignorant than I currently appear.
I agree that most of your post is correct, but not everything that was stated on the Wiki site really explained the truth and can easily be misconstrued. To put it in a nutshell we were let down by the people at the top being incompetent rather than disingenuous, the difference with the Portsmouth situation, (in my opinion) is that they were deliberately trying to cheat their way to success and there misdeeds caught them out and bit them back. I have no knowledge of the Rs situation but I suspect it was circumstance rather than deliberate cheating that resulted in the current situation, I am in no positition to criticise so won't resort to that. We had an enormous stroke of luck in that Markus Liebherr saw something in our Club that made him decide that we were worth saving, you can easily Google search his reasoning, he sorted out our finances and got us pointed in the right direction. Any team that has the amount of success in such a short time that we have had is bound to have a few fans that go over the top on web sites, their contribution has to be taken in context with everything else. I would hate to get to the state that Chelsea are in, seems like spoilt brat syndrome. I see our two Clubs as very much on the same Plateau as far as size and support is concerned, we want to be more succesful and aspire to match the "Big" clubs at the time, that is a tough ask and fate will have a lot of influence on the outcome, not everything is under our control. I repeat, we have no animosity against QPR (except on the Match days!) we have issues with the current Manager, but we shouldn't let it detract from what happens to us all in the future, what will be, will be.
Buying St Marys is what eventually saw Ruperts go into melt down. But surely gambling the clubs future on players wages is far worse, & risky. I never liked our then chairman, but there are far more dangerous creatures in footbal today than Rupert Lowe.
Glad to hear it, hope it all works out for you, we have proved that being relegated isn't always a bad thing, hopefully it won't come to that, but if it does, it isn't the end of the World, you have to rebuild and come back better, with a solid fan base that will happen. Keep the faith.
We are not down yet? And thanks for the comments but remember Saints are also in the mix and 4-5 games can change all this.
Now, now, Flyer. I'm sure we both see it more often that the average R, and it is at least my opinion that it is far from ****; certainly an improvement on the Dell (which was their Loftus Road or Fratton Park). The use of 'flatpack' - though both witty and not a little unkind - is presumably a reference to the identikit nature of the stadium? Having seen the like of Bolton's Reebok, Boro's Riverside, Swansea's Liberty and Derby's Pride Park, I would have to say that there is something soulless about the new stadiums (or is it stadia?). The Emirates is a massive example of this, of course, not helped by a often soporific crowd. I'm sure the supporters of the clubs with these new grounds will disagree and take such comments to be born of envy from an Rs supporter. To an extent any accusation of jealousy is in part true. Of course, the Rs need a brand new sparkling stadium to compete in the 21st century. But I sincerely hope that the winning design takes into account atmosphere and accoustics, as well as endeavours to incorporate better character and uniqueness.
Are you sneaking a 'new stadium' thread under the wire Uber? There is no better place to watch football than Loftus Road when it is rocking. But when it isn't its many inadequacies are painfully evident. If, as you say, we can retain the atmosphere when/if we move, I will miss LR, but will enjoy some basic human comforts. I have actually fallen asleep during a match at the Emirates (and yes, Rs were playing), but I was a bit pissed. Fell into a coma at Easter Road watching Hibs v someone last year, entirely due to the quality of football............and possibly Guinness consumption.
Yeah, soz Stan. We all have affection for the Old Girl, but the Rs will have to move on at some point in the not too distant future. I just pray we don't get the shopping mall design so many other fans have to endure.
On behalf of the PST I can offer you Fratton Park as your new home for a bargain price of £15mn Please ask your money bags owner if thats ok with him......
The Del was a far superior place to watch football, it was electric like LR can be. SMS is the worst stadium in the division. The front row is 10-15m away from the pitch, single tier, shallow angle. Everything thats wrong with a stadium. Plus they have the singing home fans right next to the away fans which results in 3 sides of the ground being really quiet.
Yes, thanks for those words of encouragement, we are well aware of our plight, I am not saying anything until the fat lady is singing, that's why I despair when fans come on here giving it large, they are the ones that usually end up with egg on their face.
i always thought the 'Dell' was a sh#t ground. Home end had a stand that was 6ft high one end and went up on a slope to about 50ft. The away end were 3/4 cages and two small stands either side. Quite open until they put a roof on and didn't think it had a touch on LR. All these new grounds lack something. Nice seating and corp/facilities but no atmospher. I just hope when the day comes that they get it right and we don't end up with a Bolton/Reading/Cardiff/Swans/Boro type kit ground
