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Paddy Lowe to Leave McLaren for Mercedes?!?!?!?!

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Delete Me, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    Don't know.

    ALOT! If not all of it as his decision looked to have come last minute.
     
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  2. allsaintchris.

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    All I remember about Tim Goss was Xiggly/Martial Artist going nuts over some quote he had which in his (very own) opinion made Hamilton look bad so he hung on to it for about 15 pages whilst everyone else wound him up <laugh>

    I can't however comment on Goss's technical ability.
     
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  5. Delete Me

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    Signs of anxiety and uncertainty with regards to Ross Brawn there. He scratches his top lip with his teeth and then covers it with his bottom lip which is him trying to calm himself.

    Also a lot of shoulder shrugging which mean: (I don&#8217;t know) (I don&#8217;t care) (Uncertainty)...

    If you listen past the lines he is pretty much admitting, "The mission isn't to beat RBR this year, but to beat as many as the others as possible (Ferrari, McLaren, Lotus)" and show progress with the team as a whole.

    Does sound like he is already admitting defeat against Seb and Co which is a shame.
     
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  7. Max Whiplash

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    It all seems like educated conjecture to me at this point, based on the notion that Lowe's arrival will make Brawn superfluous. I'm not saying I think it's wrong but I think the media may be jumping a bit ahead of events here; they're the ones who need new stories every day after all.
     
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  8. EternalMSC

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    True, just because one member have staff has been recruited does not mean another one has to leave. Is Lowe the same position as Brawn? If not then I don't understand all the fuss?
     
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  9. Forza Bianchi

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    Andrew Benson: "There have been a few questions about the Brawn/Lowe situation so let me explain it as I understand it. Lowe joins Mercedes in 2014. Lowe's position will be to run the sporting and technical aspects of team; Toto Wolff does the rest. Brawn, I'm told, "won't stay". Neither will Nick Fry. Don't know when each will leave, assuming sources are correct. Don't know Lowe's exact job title. Lowe unlikely to be called "team principal" but that's de facto what he will be - more senior than technical director. Questions over what changes if any to be made to senior technical team. Mercedes won't admit to Lowe's arrival for some time. Don't know why"



    It's sad that a legend like Brawn will be treated this way. Brawn runs the team, he doesn't design the failures (W01, W02, W03 and W04). If anyone should be replaced it's Bob Bell.
     
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    Brawn and Schumacher both deserved better, some people may not like to hear that. But in a way it is true.
     
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  11. Delete Me

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    Well.... Brawn hasn't got the team up to scratch over the past 3 years, he seems reluctant to fire anybody and do the dirty work which Toto and Lauda have been bought in to do now. The board are impatient with him so they believe they have got people in who will make the choices for him because it seems he isn't doing a good enough job for their product.

    Hope Brawn stays but I won't be sad if he got replaced by Eric, who is "young" and is doing a great job with Lotus.

    I always reckoned the Ross and Mercedes relationship wouldn't of worked as Ross seems to have more patience with certain members of failure. Where as Mercedes don't have any past relationship with them like he does and don't care what Ross thinks and they really just want results and progress. Ross made his millions buying and selling Brawn, the board probably felt he wasn't doing enough like he did with Brawn GP when he was running things.

    Norbert and Schumacher was given the option to "step down" or step aside gracefully, looks like Ross will get the same treatment for his failure to produce. I doubt Ross will be the last though, reckon all those TD and even Rosberg are under threat now of being replaced if they do not perform this season.
     
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  12. EternalMSC

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    If cut throat is the way they want to be then that is no problem to me, but it's just that they are investing so much change into 2014, that it could go the other way.
     
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    And the last 2 Honda's.........

    Aside from the Brawn GP, which even then lost its advantage over the season, the last 6 years have produced nothing other than an apparent slide in fortune.

    He may not design the car personally, but he does have a hand in it, and as the team leader has to take some of the flack at how the team is run and performs. As tactics on fuel are no longer needed, is he now exposed as being a great tactician but nothing more? The success of the cars at Benetton and Ferrari more down to Rory Byrne than Ross Brawn?

    Seems quite clear to me. If Mercedes do no improve this year, I can;t see him being the man to take them forward.
     
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  14. StoneRosesRam

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    I agree that Brawn should step aside if they have another poor year but is Lowe really best utilised as being in a TP style role?, I think it would be better to make Lowe the sole designer on the car with freedom in the design process (Like Newey at Red Bull) get rid of Costa and Bell and have Wolff maybe as TP. As it stands they have way too many people involved in senior roles it needs to be more streamlined.
     
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    If we remember what EJ said Lowe was going to become neither TP or TD, but something of both.

    Anyway the TD has already been selected last season by the Mercedes board and his name is John Owen, so I don't see why the need to change things round again when Lowe comes in. Me want stability first priority!

    Like I said a few months back, Lowe will be overseeing the engineering department while John Owen will be his right hand at all the races acting as TD. Lowe will probably come to half the races and spend the rest at Brackley and I don't think Lowe is TP material.
     
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    More like an oblong structure at the moment rather than a healthy pyramidal one.
     
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    Don't see what the problem is Lowe going for a 7 figure sum when in his field he has more knowledge to give to a team than the driver himself and he sees them get paid 8 figure sums for doing half the hours and half the work.

    Going for the money? Sounds like what 90% of what the UK do if given the choice for a better lifestyle. They must of given him more time off away from long distance countries and double the pay, who wouldn't sign up?
     
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  19. El_Bando

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    This is a lot of money Mercedes are investing. How much do they see returning? I cant see them making a profit in the next 2 years
     
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  20. Smithers

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    Depends on what 7 figure sum it is though? I read somewhere that he was on 600k and been offered 900k to stay at mclaren. The 7 figure some could be 1 million, but given that Mclaren claim it is a "telephone number" figure them would assume it is significantly more and hence "an offer he couldnt refuse" - it could be 9.9 million for all we know?

    If he and Lewis become very successful then the money is irelevant, but if they fail then the in time it will be viewed very differently - I dont remember too many people having sympathy for JV with his mate pollock? This whole thing doesnt seem too different to me?
     
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