To answer your questions: 1 It is possible that United could still have the points lead that they have without RVP. United's position has as much to do with the poor performance of other sides as it does with their own performances. As for Real, then we will both have to wait to see which manager is still smiling after the 2nd leg. 2 No. 3. Yes.
Don't think you'd be in the bottom half - maybe a position or two lower, but without your entire team looking to Suarez to pick them up you'd probably get a better performance out of the rest of them. Fair point about the quality of the PL as a whole, tho' I think we have the joint highest ever points total at this stage in the season, and I don't think we'd be anywhere near that without RVP. It's like Chelsea in 04/05 - part of the reason they won the league so easily was that Utd were **** and Arsenal were collapsing, but part of the reason was how ruthless they were at winning. It doesn't necessarily have any implications for their abilities, but more for their impact. I guess it depends on which you value higher - I'd always prefer a player with less natural ability that's able to contribute more to their team's results than one with more ability but doesn't actually lift their team to a great level.
I actually edited my original comment slightly as I thought bottom half was a bit of a overreaction Qualities need to be judged by the human eye and human eye alone IMO. If you take the majority of Man Utd central midfielders over the years and compare them with Steven Gerrard, stats and medals will point in one direction but the human eye will look towards the other. Same applies to Alan Shearer and Man Utd's forwards (just to avoid being accused of being biased).
Not really. If Suarez steps up and wins you some big games by the end of the season, thus pulling you up into 5th or 6th (or even 4th), I will happily admit he has been as good as Bale and RVP this year. But ultimately, for all his effort and goals this year, he has not achieved anything of note in terms of driving the team forwards. And in my opinion you cannot be considered a world class player if your performance and efforts are not making tangible positive impacts to the performance of your team and the results they achieve. Can you point to any games Liverpool have won this season and honestly say he was what made the difference, and you would almost certainly have lost them had he not been playing? And yet you can look at the last five or six games Spurs have won and say they would almost certainly have drawn or lost them without Bale.
in short swarbs no. who the hell would pick us up seeing we binned carroll and saw borini reveal an inability to shoot followed by a broken toe... just who from october to january would have scored for us? You've just forgotten about the context of the season for us. Which is ok cos you're not supposed to be following us that closely, you are supposed to be glued to utd. LFC without suarez would probably be in a relegation dogfight... as bad as anything agent hodgson delivered. Honestly utd have had RVP deliver big time so i don't think they would have that big points tally as we've seen both rooney and RVP really go on hot streaks through out while utd have leaked goals they've been pulled out of the brown stuff many times by their two talismen. Yes everyone is crap as evidenced by a rudderless chelsea thinking second is on... or even more laughably arsenal's clown saying the same. Utd can only beat what's in front of them and have done so via rooney and RVP... anyway.. RVP is the more valuable player as he is a true striker who rapre misses the target whereas suarez is a showboating nutmegger who'll go do something amazing one minute and miss a sitter the next.. its fairly obvious.
nah it has to be lampard v gerrard. anyone remember on 606 the old debates we started where this would be code. Ferguson v paisley was whiskey v beer.. Lampard was beef and gerrard was chicken for dinner. you could go on for hours tlaking about chicken dinners and all the while some one would come along and either go mad about another thread on this or take it serious.
THese are hard to do after one of said players has a blinder. If we go off this weekend then it is Bale, if we go after a game against Norwich it will lean towards Suarez, after Southampton away, RVP. On top of that, I feel they are all different players but think those 3 in the same team would be quite Frightening.
Beat Zenit 3-1 with Suarez's 2 goals Beat Swansea 5-0 with Suarez winning the penalty for the first, assisting the second and scoring the 4th Beat Mansfield 2-1 with Suarez's winner Beat Sunderland 3-0 with 2 from Suarez Beat QPR 3-0 with 2 from Suarez Beat Wigan 3-0 with 2 from Suarez Beat Norwich 5-2 with hat trick from Suarez He also earned us draws against Chelsea, Arsenal, Newcastle, Everton (disallowed winning goal), Hearts (win on aggregate), Man City
10 Successful crosses 17 24 Unsuccessful Crosses 116 29.4% Successful Crosses (%) 12.8% I thought bale was meant to be a winger? Terrible cross percentage. Suarez v Bale: Suarez has more goals, more assists and more chances created, and I know who I'd rather watch play - Suarez. Suarez v RVP: A fairer comparison, RVP has more goals and assists but less chances created. Result of being in a better overall team? Possibly. Suarez is involved in overall play a lot more than RVP though.
Bale was meant to be a winger until he believed he was the next Ronaldo and smashes shots from 45 yard impossible angles or ranges. He's good, but he's not that good. Not as skillful as Suarez, not as clinical as RVP, not as much of a teamplayer as many others in his position. I'd have him in my team, of course, but not at the expense of Suarez. Luis does so much more for the team than just score goals which win games. He's our playmaker and links the midfield to attack as well as being our main chance creater. He's the difference in most games, even if he's not on the scoresheet or with the assist. Between RVP and Suarez, who knows. Probably the manc would win it. But I'd argue Suarez is more important to us than RVP is to UTD, purely because you have depth in your squad and we do not.
this is only the basics of it..i'm still amazed at you swarbs with this line of oh when has he actually made a difference.... its like HUH!!! there's more to football than being the guy who scores the winner.. unlike fantasy football where all that matters is assists and goals you can look to a guy like say lambert or benteke and go oh yeah look at what they do but that's not the whole story. for instance lamberts movement is top class and he makes goals just be pulling a defender with him. Like i said if lfc didn't have suarez when we fialed to get anyone decent on aug31 we would be in a relegation dogfight due in no small part to stale unimaginative football. simple. If the guy is there he's occupying the inds of centre halves. playing fasle 9 he drags players out of their position and then defences crack for others.... it all adds up. the goals are great but just by being there he makes space of others are good enough to exploit it. .............................. Ze, just on bale.. avB has only played defoe up there this year so those cross stats are not unexpected. bale used to just donkey in 20 balls off the left in open but now he sees nobody so he is running and shooting... becoming ever more selfish and highly rated
Some people need to realise that being a skillful player is not as useful as been an effective player
Mission accomplished I'm planning my next thread to be - Is Suarez better than Jesus? or maybe Paul Scholes secret Liverpool fan?
Bale has 2 goals against the other current top 6 teams: 1 against Man Utd (3-2 win) and 1 against Arsenal (5-2 loss). Suarez consistently scores against top teams but can't do much if we lose or draw due to defensive errors.
Out of curiosity, how many have RvP and suarez got against the same teams? Obviously, Suarez will have a numerical advantage with us not being in the top six.
