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Tottenham Hotspur v West Ham United Match History 1898-2013

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by THFC6061, Feb 18, 2013.

  1. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    For 100k a week he should do more than hold the ball up well WY but I'd disagree about him being a better performer, he never once tested Vercoutre and for a striker of his supposed calibre, it's poor in my opinion, Friedel, Gallas, Vertonghen were our better performers in my opinion, Holtby was great in the first half but dithered in the second. Ade's performances this season have been nothing short of pub standard and he doesn't seem interested in improving anytime soon.

    I don't think it's harsh one bit Relayer. While the traumatic events with Togo is a situation I wish upon no one and truly feel for everyone and their families that were affected by that, he can't relate back to that for everytime something negative happens footballing wise. I'd have respected him a hell of a lot more if he admitted to his poor form and said he'll do his best to win the crowd over, instead his comments belittled everyone that attends games in my opinion. Fact of the matter is he's paid by Spurs, not Togo, I don't entirely believe his comments about "having" to meet with the Togo president and even if it were true, there's no way it would've taken the amount of time that it did in which the club eventually had to fork out for a bloody private jet to get him back in time, any half decent footballer on the money he's on would've sorted that himself and shown a bit of loyalty and commitment to the club that pays his living, especially as he damn well knows we're struggling on the striker front at the moment.

    I truly am sick of him, he was amazing last year but reverting back to what I said in the previous post, it seems the City and Arsenal fans were right that once he receives his long term deal, he doesn't give a **** what happens in the mean time.

    Defoe's return can't come quick enough for me.
     
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  2. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    The boo's aren't because of Togo's success Notso, it's down to his poor performances and lack of commitment and it's not been 30,000 either which is another that pisses me of with his comment, there was a small section that booed/ jeered him not 30,000. He's tarred many, myself included there, with the same brush as a select few. I never boo at games so I don't appreciate when accuses everyone when it's about a 1,000 probably less.

    I know it's not his fault Defoe's injured but he could atleast do his best for the people who pay him by ensuring he's back on time for a game. His country were knocked out what, 6 days before our match? I'm sorry but I don't believe that it could take 6 days to arrange a plane to go off to Togo and meet with his president and then another to get him back here in England in time for our match. Just complete bullshit in my opinion.
     
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  3. redwhiteandermblue

    redwhiteandermblue Well-Known Member

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    More or less how I see it (edit--except I don't know about the 30,000 number), and even if I didn't see it that way, slagging your own players can't be helpful. I realize it's unrealistic to think that fans will express anything other than what they feel, but it would be nice and might help if everyone would get behind Ade while the season lasts. Options can be evaluated in the off-season.
     
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  4. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I slag him off on here RWAEB which won't affect his performances, in the stadium I cheer for 90 minutes and never boo as do many others, though he decided to label all 30,000 because of a select few.

    You say we shouldn't criticise our players - and I agree - but then is it acceptable for players to criticise fans?

    Edit - adding onto the fans - he still gets many cheers in the stadium, the majority which includes myself still sings his song and so to come out with them comments really annoys me, as I'm sure you can tell.
     
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  5. notsosmartspur

    notsosmartspur Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised you don't believe it SoS about the Togo President, do you not think it would be a tad easy for the club to disprove that, its a helluva lie for Ade to take a risk with do you not think?

    Yaya Toure got knocked out on Friday night but didn't return to City until Wednesday, and thats without a detour via the Ivory Coast.

    You entitled to your opinion mate, his form I agree with you on, but on this subject I do think its a bit harsh. <ok>
     
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  6. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    I did say that even if it were true Notso, I still don't see how it can take 6 days to arrange. Like I said too, I find it disgraceful that the club had to pay for him to get back, that just shows no commitment on his behalf to get back in time in my opinion.

    With all respect, Yaya has been one of City's best players and has played 90% of their games this season (I think), I think he could be let off for perhaps having an extra day or two rest. Ade on the other hand has featured in about 50%/ 60% of ours - a lot from the bench too - and so while his form has been dire, you'd think he'd at least want to show a bit of desire to come back and do his best, instead he takes time out to slate Spurs fans off. It's not on in my opinion.
     
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  7. O.Spurcat

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    Why should I have to get behind him ?? It doesn't make me any less of a fan if I say on here exactly what I think of Adebayor. And what I think of Adebayor is I wish Harry Redknapp had never brought him to our club and yes, I did say so very vociferously at the time. I don't boo him when I am at games, I merely tolerate him because he's wearing a Spurs shirt.

    I have no time for the guy, never have done and doubt I ever will. He's one of the biggest mercaneries the game has known and his performances this season have been nothing short of appalling.

    I agree with all Spurs or Sex has said here, I too am fed up with this bloke and can't wait to see the back of him. I don't need to wait until the off-season, I go to most games and I know what a lack of effort I have witnessed from him. He's earning his wages under false pretences.

    As for the returning late from the ACON fiasco, he requested an extension of 24 hours in a phone call to AVB which AVB agreed to. He then failed to meet the new deadline and so the club took their own action to get him back and have since fined him and quite rightly so.
     
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  8. notsosmartspur

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    SoS - The 30'000 boo'ers probably include those watching at home and in pubs!:D , if its only 3% of the crowd at the game, that figure should follow for the 'armchairs'! plus we know you're one of the good guys at games that doesn't boo! <cheers>
     
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  9. Wandering Yid

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    Personally I think that goals are the least important part of Adebayor's game when he plays for us, obviously they're useful, but our style of play is infinitely better when he is on the pitch to when he is off it whether he is scoring or not. This is because he holds the ball well and stretches defences creating huge spaces for our other attacking players to fit into. This was the key behind our early season form last year and honestly, as long as he is doing that (which admittedly he hasn't been), it wouldn't bother me if he never scored another goal for the club.
     
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  10. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Glad I'm not the only that feels like this, cheers Spurcat, I was starting to worry <laugh>

    In regards to asking for the extension, that just makes it even more of a disgrace in my opinion.
     
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  11. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Haha! Perhaps so mate.
    Though it really is a select few in the crowd, I don't like it as some players may not know who it's aimed at and could affect them too, plus booing at games in general just doesn't help, I understand the fact why people do it and won't criticise them for doing so but for me personally, it's just pointless.

    Really does annoy me though in all seriousness that he made those comments, he could've gone about it so much better. Would've been no harm in saying "I appreciate my performances have been below-par and it's understandable for the crowd to boo, it's now down to me to win them over" - something like that would've gained a lot of respect from me.
     
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  12. notsosmartspur

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    My point re Yaya probably goes for all the African players after their tournament has finished. Sth Africa would be an exception, but the smaller African counties are hardly brimming with infrastructure and their airports aren't International hubs with flights leaving every two minutes.

    I say this just to back what I was thinking before I read Spurcats comment about him being fined, having taken that into account...**** knows! <laugh>
     
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  13. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Sorry WY completely disagree with that.

    A striker's main priority should always be to score goals, even more so if he's the lone the striker. Creating opportunites for others is an added bonus and is what separates good strikers from great. Last season we saw Ade can truly be a "great" striker on his day, but this season he's looked no better than what me and you could do.

    Like you say Ade hasn't even created space for others so for me, makes him completely redundant on the pitch at the moment.

    Like I said originally, I'd rather Dempsey starts up front now, I don't like him as a striker but he works a damn site harder that what Ade's been doing, and that alone gains at least a bit of respect from me.
     
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    Quite agree, half the time you don't know what the boo is for, when you do hear it in your own ground, your first thought is thats its not at one of your own for a start.
     
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  15. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Yeah I fully appreciate they can't just hop on a plane straight after their game but surely 6 days is taking the biscuit though?
     
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  16. Wandering Yid

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    I accept your opinion, but personally I'd rather have a striker who doesn't score but creates opportunities for others, than a player like say Bent, who scores but offers nothing to the rest of the team.
     
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  17. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Exactly.

    There are always going to be dickheads at games though, that's a given. There are still twats (I'm talking 10 or 15 in around the Park Lane area where I sit) that boo Gallas' name when line ups are being named just because of his Arsenal & Chelsea roots! I mean come on... Apart from this season where I think he's been below par at times (due to age in my opinion), he's been a great signing for us - especially as he was a freebie!!! - he's more than done enough to "win me over" despite his past. Some are just extremely fickle it's annoying.
     
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  18. O.Spurcat

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    I can't remember how many we took to QPR, but he was booed by a large percentage when he went off and that was before he went to the ACON. Not that I am supporting the booing because I am most certainly not, but I mention it because our away support is second to none and for them to boo him does indicate the growing frustration with this player.
     
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  19. PleaseNotPoll

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    Possibly, but the Togolese FA are utter ****e, by all accounts and it would be seen pretty badly for their captain to just tell them to do one and bugger off.
    There's probably fault on both his and their side.
     
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  20. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    But then there's no point having a striker WY. We've seen way too many times this season that we've lacked a top striker to finish chances, the players we have behind the striker are more creative than goal hungry. We create far too many chances that don't get finished, if anything, with the creativity we have in our midfield, we could probably do with a Bent (not him exactly) to finish them off.
     
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