A Night For Us All To Be Very Proud

If you were right then my colleagues and I would not be so foolish as to offer our services to major international clients on a payment by results only basis. Now I'm not starving even though I now only work occasionally whilst you and you brethren of UK managers continue to make a complete pills of things. Or is that supposed to be somebody else's fault - don't tell me, the government, the bankers or more likely those ungrateful wretches the workers

The answer to your question was already answered for you in Dirtyfranks post #28. The shared experience of the team and the atmosphere that was created formed the basis of an alliance that brings all parties together to achieve common goals. Which is why YNWA is meaningful not just as a tradition but a battle cry that both the team and the fans can buy into.

But then from your comments so far, it is fairly easy to see that your management style would hold more to the "I say how things happen around here because I'm in control" when you fail to see that you are not either within the organisation or in its environment.

 

We all knew that anyway.
What else did you say?

 

You read and more importantly believe too many books. Last night was all about a team who knew it was their last chance this season of achieving anything and so actually put in some effort to prolong their season. The extra effort and seeming commitment to the cause gave the fans some excitement and lifted them in their support. This was not some watershed moment, if by chance you loose badly next weekend against Wigan nothing will have changed in your all party alliance.

 

Your opinion and you're welcome to it

 

Cheers

 

no problem

 

in all honesty a lot of times the team come on strong with 10 minutes left is often because we're losing or drawing and the opposition drops back as per the usual when you want to hang on to a result. Not so much down to us waking up after 75 mins and more to do with being stumped by lesser opposition for 75 mins until they concede ground for the final stretch

 

Who are you to pass judgement on LFC on our behalf, we know our players faults and weaknesses, we know BR made an error of judgement with his timing of substitutions but as has been the case on many occasions this season we've battered teams with no end result(as last night on away goals), we know the same players might **** up against Wigan etc, but don't tell us we're not allowed to praise their commitment against Zenit.

Even under Fergie your team have been booed off at OT, your team have in big finals not shown commitment or a will to win, did that change your alliance to them?

Dave's been a red since Lord Nelson had two eyes Diego so leave the old seadog alone.

 

You mis-understood me, luckily Dave did not. This was not meant to be anti-LFC but meant to point out it is the way of the world, rousing effort against a seemingly lost cause, great excitement generated in the masses and loud support. It needs to be done by both in more mundane situations by any club.

 

You mis-understood me Diego, irrespective of whether they were forced to raise their game on the night due to the importance of the result and it prolonging our season we were impressed with their commitment and the fight they showed.

 

Dave, the shared experience I totally understand & on occasion (& by the sound of it you think that Thursday was one such moment) a particular game can indeed by a defining moment for a team. You however are assuming that it was such, you claimed it was definitively a moment that had resulted in 'detachment' being ended & the players had 're-found LFC'. Which are nothing more than meaningless soundbites. The truth is, that unless you've got a time machine, you can't say that Thursday was anything more than a good atmosphere, accompanied by a good team performance, as it's the future that will define whether that evening was a milestone worthy of being referrenced.

Despite my glib comments on the subject, corporate culture is something I both understand & have a real passion for, as it's key. However, I do think that Directors who require the services of consultants in order to either understand it or facilitate change, within their own organisations, must be lacking somewhat in their inter personal skill set. I'd wager you deal with plenty of ex-bean counters Oh & I blame no-one for my business doubling it's profitability during the recession mate

 

there have been several performances akin to Thursdays passion and commitment and they've all been followed by dire apathetic performances but at least with the previous performances there was always something to play for.
The players now have to target EL football next season and fk all else, sure that Suarez feels that it is totally worth his mammoth efforts this season with the defensive leakiness, although RvP is banging them in and playing well he is still 2nd to Suarez as a player imo and we'll have a hell of a job holding on to him if we flap about for the rest of the season. Probably too later, many clubs took notice this season

Imagine how he really feels scoring all those goals only to watch the defenders throw it all away F F S

 

Do you sell midget gems Tobes?

 

You're going at Dave with the corporate culture attack huh? That's going to be completely counter productive I'm telling you now.

As for your comment - You should know exactly what he means by re-finding LFC, and you're deliberately trying to misinterpret it as some sort of delusional throw back to the 80s which it's not.

As for you "doubling the profitability of your business during the recession," congratulations but I do notice you said you hadn't doubled your profits. Accounting firms have prospered in the recession, they may have even doubled their "profitability" as you say, but it doesn't mean they've done anything to make it so. They were victims of circumstance.

 

Final words on this - and not intended to be inflammatory.

From those who were present, from the comments upon here and what I could see and hear on the tv, the attitude of the crowd at Anfield changed significantly during the match. Yes more in-line with my memories of the attitude during the 60's and 70's. It was also apparent that the attitude of the players seemed to change at the same time. It was as though they fed off each other. For the first time in a long time (in my estimation since Instanbul) the players were indeed committing themselves to each other as a team. I truly believe that Thursday's match marked a sea change. However, that will have to be tested by both time and results.

I have to agree with you about the value of the largest part of consultancy. However, organisations only exist because they contain humans and humans have 2 very big behavioural flaws:

(1) They tend to find value in those things which have incurred cost. It is only too easy to interview staff, find out what they already know, tweak that information and then sell it back to them. Directors particularly have a habit of being dazzled by a bound report, a good presentation and a hefty bill! I have to say at this point that my colleagues do not take this approach.

(2) Executives have, in general, a big fear asking for advice from within the organisation in case it may appear that they are somehow lacking. It is therefore safer to seek that advice from an outside source. As individuals they already know that you cannot be an expert on everything but they demand that they appear to be the exception to the rule.

I can at least live with my consulting record. I have never taken a commission that I did not believe that I could complete and that would benefit my clients (and secondly myself). That's why my colleagues and I (or is it me?) decided 12 years ago that we would put our money where our mouth was - if it didn't work don't pay us!

 

Oh just more of the same... goats, bottoms and peeled bananas about sums it up.

 

Afternoon all.

I didn't think my OP would provoke so much debate - most of it informed and politely put.

All the positives I outlined in the post remain. I indicated to a number of posters that I was not prepared to do ANY slagging in the direct aftermath of the match and I will always remain proud overall of the performance of all involved, including, of course, the crowd.
However, I did indicate that I would address some of the points raised a little later in the day.

Firstly, what Suarez did was totally unnecessary, and I wish he would try to cut it out of his game. However, I honestly believe that, in part, it's a direct extrapolation of his desire and commitment to win for himself, the club and the supporters and I'm not sure he can do it. It doesn't mean I agree with it or turn a blind eye. I actually did face palm when it happened.

Secondly, that was a massively naive double sub by BR. I think we are all in agreement with that. To repeat what many of you have already said, we had just scored our third, our tails were up, as were the crowd's and Zenit were starting to bottle it. You don't make a double sub under those circumstances, regardless of fresh legs etc. Provided he continues to learn from his mistakes, then I don't have a problem.

I was proud and hope it was a sea change, but as dave and others have said, only time will tell.

Feel free to close the thread moddy boys

 

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