A Night For Us All To Be Very Proud

I think under Kenny this 2 leg result would have been reflected much more negatively.


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Are we now Swansea, played really well but unlucky not to get something

 

Assuming you mean Schein, are you seriously claiming that 90 minutes of huff and puff against a shambolic defence is really a sign that your club has somehow magically regained shared assumptions and values which appear to have been missing for the last four years? And if so why did Suarez still spend the last ten minutes stamping on people and arguing with the ref instead of trying to actually win the game?

Fair dos mate, I can certainly see where you're coming from. Must be properly frustrating to see the players put the effort in when it's far too late, and still too little to matter, particularly when the same amount of effort applied evenly over the season would have you close to the top four and probably having another FA Cup derby to look forward to.

 

Are you Robert Langdon ?? This sounds like a dan brown book.

 

Really? I remember feeling immensely proud as did many with our fightback towards the end of the fa cup final.

Why are you turning in to MFG and making out that everything has to be compared between Kenny and Rodgers?

I can guarantee Kenny feels the way most of us did about last night.

 

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Except its very likely Swansea have played really well & will get a cup this year so your comparison is probably flawed although I understand your need to use it as the example.

How about after us complaining about lack of heart or commitment we applaud it when it happens?

Otherwise from a players point of view why would you bother? Damned if you don't & damned because you have but at one point you didn't & we will remind you for eternity.

Of course now that they've put on a performance like that & shown the level they can achieve as a team they would be very foolish to drop the effort again. If they do that by all means you go ahead & unleash the rage!

 

I rarely make the comparison and meant general overall feeling, FSG Media Fans.

The fact that MFG makes it clear that FSG are willing to accept levels of failure far worse than Kenny's is totally besides the point.

Roy Keane was right for speaking out during irelands WC campaign, to accept mediocre success when more was possible with the right attitude. He was wrong for leaving or getting sent home but he was right about what he said and I dont often agree with that ****.

 

This thread was all about last night. I hope it signifies what I'd like to think it does.

 

And to boot, I've said what I had to say without attempting to mock anyone with a differing opinion. Go Figure frank


Well if you take it of all context then maybe, but this is my view of our performance over to games v Zenith.

Also the pattern of performance over the season in all comps, and I meant Swans under Brendan. Saw them play occasionally, great passing flat up front and concede silly goals to get beat by the likes of united. Sounds familiar.

Anyways, to see that effort last night, I have to ask, where has it been for many games this season? Why does it stand out so much as to receive so much praise, Suarez apart it wouldn't be nearly as shiny, a 1 1 draw maybe, then it would have been limped out of comp rather than this inaccurately acclaimed exiting roar

 

If you had actually studied Schein's 3 level model you would understand that it is very appropriate to what transpired last night. As for the relationship between the crowd and the players I would point to towards Smirchic and although tangently the work of Desphande

 

Tbf, I see both sides. I see the fight and the spirit and for the first time in a long while, it felt real, it felt like Anfield was alive, that the team cared, we fought back to win the game on the night ( not the tie) but there was so much to be proud of.

But I understand BBF, you do have to be careful about accepting too much mediocrity. I think last night was maybe a bad example he might be making ( imo) but I understand that over the course of the season you keep hearing young, developing, getting there, maturing, etc but at the end of the day we are out of all the cups and might miss Europe completely next year. I think we are starting to get better with the mregin of youth and experience but I think this summer is one of the biggest in a long time. We have lost a lot of veterans and are losing one of the identities of the club and we need more experience, pronto.

Other than the substitutions, we just ran out of gas at the end. Another positive as 6D pointed out in another thread was Lucas, ****ing outstanding last night, really really makes a difference. I really wouldn't mind seeing a Diarra, Diame, Matuidi type next to him to really shore up that midfield.

 

Stick to futsal

 

BBF, come back and have a rant after we lose at Wigan.

 

Maybe Im misreading your post but I didn't think I mocked you? Are you referring to someone else?

I honestly understand the point you're making & yes there is part of me says "where was this effort for 90 minutes all year" but as a fan I'll do the players this deal: if we are going to be hyper critical over efforts in defeats & draws we'll balance it with praise when its due.

The alternative is a shrug of shoulders no matter what the result which is dull for all concerned.

As I say, if they don't repeat it I'll fully support you venting anger at them because they'll deserve it.

So, they (players)have an opportunity to prove they aren't mediocre, to restore the faith in people like MFG (I know he'll never accept the manager)

Those that don't take it can leave but very simply and in a specific narrow way. I congratulate the players on a good effort last night & for winning that match. Keep it up!

 

I don't specialise is bs theory about organisational culture, written in the main by twats who've never run a sweet shop Dave. I prefer to create it, rather than theorise about it.

So if you'd care to enlighten me on how last nights game definitively brought about the players 're-finding' Liverpool FC & how exactly 'detachment' was offiicially ended, I'm still waiting.

 

Having seen your not unexpected response then I'm not prepared to waste time, that I get well paid for, explaining organisational behaviour and corprate culture to a managerial neanderthal like you.

Don't be so lazy and do some reading and then try and think about what you read before you dismiss what you obviously don't understand as "bs".

 

lol, I take it from that response that you're a theorist who's never run so much as a sweet shop yourself

The day I need a text book to manage change or understand corporate culture, is he day I'll pack it in & go sit on a beach pet.

p.s. nothing to actually justify that bollocks rawk'esque nonsense you posted I see - what a shocker

 

I agree, this is something we have to work on, it's no good just being up for the big games or when we are chasing a game each game has to be treated as just as important as the last.

I haven't followed this thread so I'm not going to jump in and I really can't be bothered reading back but I do agree with the sentiment of the OP.

 

Gonz...

I've noticed over the last three or four years not only do we only turn up for the big games but also we tend to wake up in the last ten minutes.

We can be 1-0 against some generic midlands team until its 75mins on the clock playing rather subdued as if everyone's had a big turkey dinner before the game.

Then all of a sudden the team snap out of a coma and actually start playing skillfully and with tempo. Its like we have an invisible physio injecting their arse cheeks with red bull when the game nears the end.

I've noticed this with several different managers frequently when losing/drawing games.


If we could play every game like we do the last 15 minutes of most games we would be great... we just leave it too long.

Another trait that had spanned managers
... dilly dallying around the box. You watch United... they look for an opportunity to score... we pass around outside the box waiting for the opposition to get diarrhea and run to the loo.

It almost never happens.


Of course all that is completely off topic... which doesn't matter since this is longer than a paragraph so no one will read it anyway... I like having sex with goats and small furry woodland creatures.

 

look guys it was a no lose situation, they players played but the thing is if it was 0-0 they'd not do it.. they'd bottle it. thats the question. do they have the character to actually play that way when its not a lost cause no pressure situation.

I.e... they phooked up v west brom, they did the same v zenit... then swansea send their reserves and we win... the real situation is we'll play away to wigan this weekend to a terrible side desperate for a result.... then eventually spurs will come to town... we've an easy few weeks coming so we really can't lose canw e?

We'll see.

bravery? sure, i enjoyed it knowing it was a lost cause and just took it as a one off game.