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Saints still haven't agreed settlement with Adkins, who is on 'gardening leave'

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by - Doing The Lambert Walk, Feb 20, 2013.

  1. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

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    But imagine spending that only for a home grown player to make him look ****e.....
     
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  2. Channon walked on H2O

    Channon walked on H2O Active Member

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    I'm not sure which story I find more incredible. The idea that Cortese would not have had the terms and conditions of NA's severance ready and waiting is a bit difficult. That he talked openly about the amount NA was given or that he'd discuss the transfer budget in an open environment is beyond belief - unless the "source" was considered a friend in which case if I were this person I'd hide my horse.
     
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  3. Piebacca

    Piebacca Well-Known Member

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    Something like that, I'd be more inclined to hide my nadgers than my horse.
     
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  4. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    It's alright, Nicola will give him another horse....in instalments.
     
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  5. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    Ha-ha, very good. Last year, when I was into reading Michael Dibdin's Aurelio Zen books, I found out that Italians can be very imaginative when they want to bump someone off.
     
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  6. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    I think is a load of economy burgers... I mean a load of Pony.

    Nicola has made very public criticisms of individuals who don't behave in a proper business manner. If there is any truth in the story at all, it is simply that the legal teams may be still haggling. There is no suggestion that Nigel might get his old job back so there is no reason why he couldn't organise a new position for himself.
    Gardening leave is about not attending your place of employment whilst working out your notice after quitting. Nobody is on gardening leave after being sacked. You must get sacked and paid.<doh>
     
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  7. PompeyLapras

    PompeyLapras Well-Known Member

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    Can't imagine Adkins has done much gardening in the midsts of a chilly winter.
     
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  8. saintlyhero

    saintlyhero Well-Known Member

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    I know I promised that I would cheer on Nigel wherever he went, but Leeds!
    He is far too nice for them.
     
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  9. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Nigel will change them. Leeds players will become smiley players who apologise after every foul.
     
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  10. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    Even Nigel wont change Michael Brown!
     
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  11. NN-Saint

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    Fran, I read that 10 minutes ago and I'm still laughing - thank you! :)

     
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  12. Lff

    Lff Well-Known Member

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    Actually, thats not true. Most people who are sacked (ie from 'normal' jobs), are given notice. Summary, or instant, dismissal is rare and usually only in the case of the worst possible misconduct. Most employees will be dismissed with notice, that they may be asked to work, they may be offered a lump sum in compensation for, or they may be put on 'gardening' leave.

    Sorry, but I was an HR Manager, can't help myself.
     
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  13. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    Yeah this is true. But football management doesn't seem to have a notice period. If one party wants out of the deal, they normally are able to do it, especially the club. For a club paying £20m+ on player salaries, a £1m payoff for a manager is hardly worth losing any sleep over.
     
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  14. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    The wording I believe was 'relieved of his duties'...can't imagine a football manager working his notice...don't think you'd get the best from him:smile: I assume his pay continues until the pay off decided...a rapid resolution is best for all parties. Take your time, Nigel...the second best job in football will be out there.
     
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  15. Lff

    Lff Well-Known Member

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    True. Crazy isn't it? What annoys me is that 'football' claims to be different when it suits (e.g. in not paying taxes after going into administration, but making sure that football debts are paid) and yet will also claim to a normal business when that suits them better.
     
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  16. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Football managers have fixed contracts unlike most of us who have an ongoing permanent job. We have to have notice to end our 'permanent contract', whereas those on fixed term contracts have to negotiate to end it early (on either side). Nothing strange about it...especially as the terms in football are usually very good.
     
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  17. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    Actually every temporary contract I've ever had (which has been most of the jobs I've had) has had a notice period as well. It's not realistic for most people to "buy out" their contracts if they want to leave a job, and it doesn't really happen in the real world.

    The football creditors rule is ridiculous. I don't know how it's legal.
     
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  18. Channonfodder

    Channonfodder Rebel without a clue.....

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    Well, I bow to your knowledge of the legal situation but in practise, I can't remember a single case where someone was sacked and expected to work a notice period. Either they are dismissed for gross misconduct or after warnings for a lack of performance. It's quite possibles that every manager in the bottom half gets those from HR as a routine. At the end of the day, surely it depends what the contract says? Anyway, I would agree with you that there are situations where someone quits and the severance agreement has a clause forbidding work for a competitor during gardening leave, but surely if someone is fired, they cannot enforce this restriction as the article suggests, can they?
     
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  19. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    That's where gardening leave comes in. They can't just terminate your contract, but they can give you "gardening leave" for the duration of your notice period (for which you are paid) if they don't want you around. Even in the case of misconduct it's often easier and cheaper to do that than go through possible legal action over summary dismissal.

    Often a contract has a clause forbidding you from doing similar work after you leave, but in practice I imagine it would be impossible to enforce, unless you actually poached your former employer's clients of course.

    I think it would be difficult to apply normal HR practices to football management though. Even if you're bottom of the table it would be difficult to prove the manager wasn't doing his job to the best of his ability.
     
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  20. SAINTDON13

    SAINTDON13 Well-Known Member

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    Aldershot job up for grabs if you fancy a challenge.
     
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