Link to leaked Article - http://tinyurl.com/95wd7a9 Cisse has done an interview with a French paper, stating that he was treat unfairly at QPR and the fans were out of order with the criticism they gave him. He claims he gave 100% every game and was sadned when he received messages of hatred from R's fans. Thoughts? He looked like a lazy bastard whenever he played for you to me. .
Surely strikers who depend on their pace (as opposed to hold up strikers like Bobby) do look lazy, depending on the quality of service they get? One of my pet themes is the negative impact of criticism and I do wonder whether the QPR fans shot themselves in the foot by abusing this man on twitter etc. Water under the bridge now but I am saddened to read that since his goals might have saved us if he had been scoring at the same rate as last season (despite two red cards!).
Fair comment 'RTID' but I can't help thinking that DC didn't do anything to make us fans think otherwise of him. The old adage of 'being seen to do the right thing' wasn't part of his image. Out on the town dressed up like a yo yo making sure he made fashion news instead of team news, scoring perfume product advertisements instead of scoring goals. The way I see it, his focus was everywhere but football / team related. Maybe I've just got it all wrong.
You are not at all wrong and we've had fierce debates on here betwen people who feel it is their right as paying fans to criticise or boo their own team and others who feel that is out of order. For me it's about giving my team the best possible chance of success. Therefore, despite the fact that you may well be right about Cisse, I personally would have tried to encourage him to do as well as he possibly could have done for us. I don't think the twitterons helped with that at all, not least of all because they do not necessarily represent the majority of fans. If SWP could weather the critical comments and ecentually score a wonder goal that was the highlight of our otherwise miserable season, I would have hoped Cisse might have done the same. However, I will concede that SWP always worked like a Trojan and, as many of my teachers used to say, 'show's great application' (or 'tries hard but is useless!').
I already mentioned this and I believe Cisse has a point as we have some real scum bags as fans however you go on twitter expect a few slaps. Cisse scored some goals that kept us up last year and is a very decent man ... about people understand why players now have to divorce from as much emotion as they can to play this game. Also I hate the fact to my bones how we just discard players on here like old newspapers .. haven't said this for a few days but we need as a fan base to reinvent ourselves pretty quickly or we will truly become the club everyone hates and the example of how not to support a club. Yes the model for buying success is not working at the moment but if we don't understand that the club will eat itself. We should praise the fact that we had Cisse as a QPR player because if this thing works and I believe it will and have said before we will signing £30 million players in the next few years ... that will be the time for sticking out our chests and moaning that we may only have a few internationals in the team. If we want to take QPR up to a level of the other London Clubs expect a rocky ride
If he gave 100% every time then I'm a dutchman. I wasn't at the West Brom cup game where he was described by the BBC to have had the laziest game the commentator had ever seen, but United away sticks in my mind as a particularly half-arsed effort.
I was at the West Brom cup game and the BBC commentator had it just about right. I thought Cisse was great last season, but he has not only been crap this season, his negative attitude affected the rest of the team (refusing to track back, sulking etc). I don't blame Harry for getting rid though I know some on here think it was a mistake. Personally I think he needed a new start somewhere else.
There is a valid point here: our assessment of our players is apt to change as quickly as the British weather. Some players have gone from hero to villain in a matter of weeks! I'd agree that DC did himself no favours with his apparent laziness - "QPR are playing with ten men" according to the commentator on the West Brom game - and his apparent focus on his fashion business. However, we should make some allowances for very fast and very natural goalscorers and perhaps expect them to swan around for much of the match before bursting into life with a superbly taken goal; and we should set ourselves up to play in a way to capitalise on that. Those who go on Twitter must recognise that they need a thick skin but the tiny minority of fans who abuse them are, imo, beyond contempt. Personally, I even managed to watch Mark Nygaard play without ever abusing him and I wish others showed the same restraint with our current under-performers. At least Mark had the excuse that he lacked the talent, whereas many of our currrent crop have the talent but lack the work ethic. There's a clear line between criticism and abuse: for those that can't see it, I've just criticised Mark Nygaard without going OTT and slipping into abuse! In watching Jamie and Adel toil upfront recently, I've wished we still had DC in our squad.
What worries me now about Twitter is that a player goes off form and gets a handful of abusive tweets, and thinks these represent the views of all the fans. In this case, DC doesn't have a thick skin - that's not his make up. He gets upset by one or two unsavory individuals and blames everyone, club and fans. Personally, I'd love to have him in the 25 now. I can't help thinking that treated with an arm around the shoulder, Harry would have got something out of him. Obviously Harry didn't think so
I am going to go out on a limb here and state my opinion that Cisse is 50% villian and 50% victim here. Whatever happened towards the end of last season after the Liverpool game, things clicked at home as a team and I think he got service into him that then allowed him to use his "strengths" to do what he was brought in to do and that was score goals. For some reason this season, be it a change in squad or management or both, QPR has not played to his strengths and he has been pretty much useless - although I would question whether his being caught off side so many times is actually not his fault, but the fault of the slow release of the ball by the QPR midfield time and again as we have been p*ss poor as an attacking force this year full stop. Therefore I suspect that eventually Cisse gets few chances but as the striker is in the firing line for us not getting goals and then starts getting stick and because he probably is used to having had people kissing his behind at other clubs telling him how great he is, the prima donna element of him cant cope with that and he goes even further off the boil and his performances get worse to the extent that replacements are sort by the current management and he is shipped out far away on loan. However, I still think that the biggest part of the problem in all this is that Cisse should never have been at our club in the first place. There have been too many big time charlies brought in over the past two seasons in what now looks like a failed attempt to bypass a period of organic growth as a team and as a club to ensure survival in the promised land of the Premier League. As NUTS reminded us on here recently from his "sick" bed, we were all happy to buy into a great promoted to the Premier League even if it means we come straight back down the following season and yo yo a couple of times as we try and establish ourselves. Whilst many of us have forgotten that, the club appear to certainly have forgotten that and therefore whilst Swansea and Norwich who came up with us are working hard to do things the right way and have been winning plaudits from commentators, QPR have been throwing bad money after good to try and evolve as a Premier Club too quickly. Cisse should not have been here, nor J S Park, nor Barton, nor SWP, certainly not Boswinga and although he is one of the few big time players who have come here and performed, purely from a financial perspective Cesar should not be here either. Why is it that people love Hill, Derry and Mackie and now perhaps Adel and these names are the first names on everyone's lips when talking about 100%, professional, die for the cause? Its the same reason that Liverpool fans love Stevie G and Jamie Carragher and why Man U fans love Scholes, Giggs and why scum fans love Fat Frank and he who must not be mentioned. Those players have grown up with the club and stuck with the club and therefore I wonder what will happen next season to us as a team because we have to first rebuild as a Championship team to compete and win that league in 1-2 years and forget about being a Premier League club. We are currently on a snakes and ladders board and we are just about to slide down the longest snake on the board and back to square one. We can only hope that TF, Amit and Phil Beard will have learnt some serious lessons about how not to deal with the footballing side of the business as they start the long climb up the snakes and ladders board again next season.
Your a total & utter WUM, nothing you post on our board will ever be taken seriously, so do one! Boy who cried wolf!
Bollocks, fans will support players who put the effort in and he put in sod all effort this season. He may have had a point if he put in the effort and it didnt come off but the prick could be arsed to run for a pass 5 yards from him and would just throw up his arms in disgust that it wasnt laid on a plate so he didnt have to move.
